Palestine rejoices after recognition

I guess I should add my opinion to this... and here it is...
 

I realise this will be met with a counter response from Stoffel but I am pleased for the Palestinians it is small step in the right direction, the recognition of the Palestinian right to self determination now gives them something to work with and puts them on an equal footing with Israel.

It always amuses me when the USA and Israel talk of this as counter productive to the peace process yet none of them seem to be able to explain just how it is counter productive, in my opinion the only thing this decision can claim to be is counter productive to is the status quo and the only ones winning that scenario are Israel.

I see this step as a logical one, how can you talk about a future with another "country" when that other "country" isn't a "country"

I don't see a solution anymore, nobody's making sense, I see so much bullshit in those ridiculous speeches on TV.... there is not 1 politician neither in the US or Israel who talks the truth, talks about peace...

They only see devils on the other side of the 'wall'.... yep, that physical wall... give me a name of a politician and try to convince that he/she wants peace! I dare you!

edit: just saw Clinton: the resolution is an obstruction on the path to peace.... f*** you.... what path? WHAT PATH?.....

well, using your example I feel both a Palestine AND Israeli

about democracy, I wonder how many declarations and actions are backed-up by the Israeli people such as the 'wall'.... how does a Jew compare the Israeli wall and the warsaw wall?

and from Palestine view...do they look at the Israel/US alliance as the Israeli look at the Hamas/Iran alliance?

covention of Geneva also forbids the use of weapons Israel used before....

and what do you call 'succesful'? the lack of terrorist attacks? ok, you got a point but does that mean that the wall is a 'solution'?

you want a solution? well, since the 'conflict' has been going on for decades maybe something new has to be tried.... FULL support from Israel and the US towards the people of Palestina? so, what do you think?

must be a tough job for Hamas and Fatah to convince their people that Israel is the evil when Israel support those people.....

Just read what I said.
If the Palestinian people free themselves from the terrorists and Iran they can become a serious partner for Israel.
Rightnow the only place where Palestinians can work and go to the market is in Israel, they have no freedom in their Arab neighboring countries.
Israel lets a lot of goods through into Gaza, there isnt a thing called poverty there.

Koen,

If you know the Genevian convention you also know the first rule and the last rule.
First, if you take up arms ( civilian) as a non combattant organisation against a  country with legally armed forces than you commit a warcrime.
Punishable by death, besides you cannot hide behind those same laws as you dont acknowledge it.

The last rule is that every time a terrorist makes use of whatever situation to hide  behind civilians or civiliain infrastructure you are allowed to use lethal force to take him out. Even if he is in a school or hospital, it happens more often that the IDF doesnt fire where they really should have.
The blame can be put on the guy willingly endanger the place or the people.
And thats where we stand with the terrorist groups.
Few days ago Islamic Jihads top has been killed in a strike, where were they hiding? In a local newsagency.
Another guy from Hamas was blown out of his car, what was painted on the car?the word TV.
The last exchange of rockets where a very silly attempt by the Jihad to weaken Hamas and drive them away from power, not more not less.Political games with heavy weapons. Keep in mind Hamas threw Fatah ( Arafat cooperated with Israel on a big scale bringing money and goods into the region) out after Fatah won the elections a few years ago.
Who are the victims?
Israeli civilians living in fear every day, and the Palestinian civilians in Gaza who are being used as shields.
Solution, throw Hamas and Jihad out, start elections and get rid of their weapons ( a very understandable demand from Israel).
The UN can send a police force to train local policemen to ensure law and order.

But on the other hand, they will start killing eachother when there is no Israel so nothing will really change.
And politicians allways tell halve true or halve lie,thats the same in your and my country.......

Why do Palestinians have to be a partner for Israel?
Why do other Arab countries have to accept Palestinians?

The realities of self determination are that people get to make their own decisions, they may lead to peace or war, they allow for people to say no this is my land I don't want you here.

I think you are deliberately avoiding answering the questions asked and failed understand what self determination means.
- Why is the UN recognising Palestine a road block to peace.
- How do you justify the continued expansion of settlements on occupied land (an illegal action even by American standards).

Unfortunately it is becoming very apparent that the only chance for peace in the area will be after a catastrophe in Israel and maybe Iran is just crazy enough to bring that into effect.

are you serious?

seems that it is impossible for you to understand what we are trying to discuss since you say that we are defending Iran, Hamas etc...

are you really saying we are defending Iran, Hamas etc? really?

I see that there's no point in trying to discuss this in a neutral, objective way

you don't reply/react to what we write or ask and when you furthermore accuse me of supporting terrorist groups I have to end the discussion from my side

it's a shame tough since the complete issue needs discussions to end it but when we can't seem to do so why should we expect this from those on the frontline

don't agree with this statement either, killing and the logical wars don't end anything neither are a solution of what so ever, they are signs of weakness

but yes, mankind IS weak cause we seem only capable to start problems but never end/prevent them