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Author Topic: Suppressed secrets of battle for Stalingrad finally revealed  (Read 4165 times)
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« on: 12 November 2012, 01:39:24 »
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I found this rather interesting especially the bit that refutes Antony Beevors research, could he really have been that far off the mark?


Suppressed secrets of battle for Stalingrad finally revealed
By Tony Paterson
5:30 AM Saturday Nov 10, 2012


The date was January 31, 1943. The place was the basement of the shell-shattered Univermag department store in the Soviet city of Stalingrad. And it wasn't the forlorn and exhausted faces of the Nazis that stuck in the minds of the soldiers from the Soviet Red Army as they opened the underground warren in which Adolf Hitler's traumatised military commanders were hiding.

"The filth and human excrement and who knows what else was piled up waist high," recalled Major Anatoly Zoldatov. "It stank beyond belief. There were two toilets and signs above them both read 'No Russians allowed'."

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« Reply #1 on: 12 November 2012, 11:17:41 »
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interesting to read (and I bought 2 Beevor books 2 weeks ago (Berlin - D-day))

and even the best historians have to work with the info available, so if this info is new.... it's normal he could be wrong, or am I too easy?
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« Reply #2 on: 13 November 2012, 00:04:03 »
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The problem is that I have been under the impression that Beevor's work was well researched yet I would consider reporting 13000 executions when there was less than 300 in actuality rather poor research, if his numbers were not as robust as they should have been then perhaps he should have simply left them out.
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« Reply #3 on: 13 November 2012, 20:57:15 »
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The problem is that I have been under the impression that Beevor's work was well researched yet I would consider reporting 13000 executions when there was less than 300 in actuality rather poor research, if his numbers were not as robust as they should have been then perhaps he should have simply left them out.

true, 13000 and 300 are way out of eachother.... I wonder if Beevor get's this info too...
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