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Author Topic: U.S. Military Weapons Inscribed With Secret ‘Jesus’ Bible Codes  (Read 9847 times)
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« on: 20 January 2010, 22:16:03 »
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http://www.naplesnews.org/tag/bible-quotes-on-guns/

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Pentagon Supplier for Rifle Sights Says It Has ‘Always’ Added New Testament References
Jan. 18, 2010

Coded references to New Testament Bible passages about Jesus Christ are inscribed on high-powered rifle sights provided to the United States military by a Michigan company, an ABC News investigation has found.

The sights are used by U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and in the training of Iraqi and Afghan soldiers. The maker of the sights, Trijicon, has a $660 million multi-year contract to provide up to 800,000 sights to the Marine Corps, and additional contracts to provide sights to the U.S. Army.

U.S. military rules specifically prohibit the proselytizing of any religion in Iraq or Afghanistan and were drawn up in order to prevent criticism that the U.S. was embarked on a religious “Crusade” in its war against al Qaeda and Iraqi insurgents.

One of the citations on the gun sights, 2COR4:6, is an apparent reference to Second Corinthians 4:6 of the New Testament, which reads: “For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.”

Other references include citations from the books of Revelation, Matthew and John dealing with Jesus as “the light of the world.” John 8:12, referred to on the gun sights as JN8:12, reads, “Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”

Trijicon confirmed to ABCNews.com that it adds the biblical codes to the sights sold to the U.S. military. Tom Munson, director of sales and marketing for Trijicon, which is based in Wixom, Michigan, said the inscriptions “have always been there” and said there was nothing wrong or illegal with adding them. Munson said the issue was being raised by a group that is “not Christian.” The company has said the practice began under its founder, Glyn Bindon, a devout Christian from South Africa who was killed in a 2003 plane crash.
‘It violates the Constitution’

The company’s vision is described on its Web site: “Guided by our values, we endeavor to have our products used wherever precision aiming solutions are required to protect individual freedom.”"We believe that America is great when its people are good,” says the Web site. “This goodness has been based on Biblical standards throughout our history, and we will strive to follow those morals.”

Spokespeople for the U.S. Army and the Marine Corps both said their services were unaware of the biblical markings. They said officials were discussing what steps, if any, to take in the wake of the ABCNews.com report. It is not known how many Trijicon sights are currently in use by the U.S. military.

The biblical references appear in the same type font and size as the model numbers on the company’s Advanced Combat Optical Guides, called the ACOG.

A photo on a Department of Defense Web site shows Iraqi soldiers being trained by U.S. troops with a rifle equipped with the bible-coded sights.

“It’s wrong, it violates the Constitution, it violates a number of federal laws,” said Michael “Mikey” Weinstein of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, an advocacy group that seeks to preserve the separation of church and state in the military.
‘Firearms of Jesus Christ’

“It allows the Mujahedeen, the Taliban, al Qaeda and the insurrectionists and jihadists to claim they’re being shot by Jesus rifles,” he said.Weinstein, an attorney and former Air Force officer, said many members of his group who currently serve in the military have complained about the markings on the sights. He also claims they’ve told him that commanders have referred to weapons with the sights as “spiritually transformed firearm(s) of Jesus Christ.”

He said coded biblical inscriptions play into the hands of “those who are calling this a Crusade.”

According to a government contracting watchdog group, fedspending.org, Trijicon had more than $100 million in government contracts in fiscal year 2008. The Michigan company won a $33 million Pentagon contract in July, 2009 for a new machine gun optic, according to Defense Industry Daily. The company’s earnings from the U.S. military jumped significantly after 2005, when it won a $660 million long-term contract to supply the Marine Corps with sights.

“This is probably the best example of violation of the separation of church and state in this country,” said Weinstein. “It’s literally pushing fundamentalist Christianity at the point of a gun against the people that we’re fighting. We’re emboldening an enemy.”

Copyright © 2010 ABC News Internet Ventures

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« Reply #1 on: 21 January 2010, 16:47:28 »
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What is your take on that, Koen? Do you support it? Or not?

Just curious,

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« Reply #2 on: 21 January 2010, 16:58:55 »
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Great way to hand the enemy more propaganda.  Rollende ogen
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« Reply #3 on: 21 January 2010, 20:21:15 »
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What is your take on that, Koen? Do you support it? Or not?

Just curious,

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It gives me a bad taste in my mouth....why? why would you do something like this? what did they discuss in that meeting? was it a funny or serious discussion?
why inscript deadly weapons with these references?

I hate religion because it always get used to kill other people...that's not the reason why there are religions....

how can you comdemn, what many do, the Islam when christian people use their religion for these crazy purposes?
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« Reply #4 on: 21 January 2010, 21:23:12 »
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Thats very simple Koen,
For once I will give my opinion on this, only once.
I do think that a government should avoid any signs of religion in public functions, below you find my take on the religion thingy.
Keep in mind that I do condemn all religions as a whole when they are, agressive by nature, violent, disrespectfull and hatefull agaisnt ohter religions.

Christianity leaves you the choice to believe or not.
Islam does not.

The Islam considers all non-muslems as satans, unbelievers, enemies or pigs, you are either for or against them, there is no way between.
If you are against you can become a target.
Because the Koran says that all people in the world will be free when they find true believe( Islam)
Moslims are not allowed to greet you, or give you best wishes at new year for example.
The Hadith even goes a step further, it claims that a good moslim should expand the islamic territory and believe untill all enemies are dead or islamic as well, and that a man should beat up his wife with a whip even if she is loyal and faithfull so she doesnt forget who she belong too.
Have a look in the news, riots and violence against christians resulting of deads and injured people this week in: Malaysia, Idonesia, Egypte, Sudan, Somalia.
Indonesia even has a Sharia police, women who patrol the streets  searching for women without Burka or in jeans, when caught you risk wooden stick beatings or worse.

Another thing are the verses in the Koran, there is no chronologic sequence.
The last vers written is the one that a muslem should obey.
Many so called liberal moslims claims there are peacefull verses in the Koran as well.
If you look at them close you see that those are the early verses, the last ones are aggressive, ant semitic and hatefull, and these are the ones a muslem has to obey, the early ones have no meaning anymore.
Just do a search and look for yourself what this "peacefull" book is about .....
And another point of critic for people who defend islam, or worse terrorists.
In most cases an arabic based terrorist comes from a dictatorial regime.
He does not understand democracy and how it works so for example this can happen.
You can demonstraten in Israel on the street yelling for rights for Palestinians, but if a Palestine terrorist hijacks the plane you are in he will see you as a legitimate target and might kill you.
Even though you did not vote for the government of your country, if they have troops in Afghanistan a Talibanfighter sees you as his enemy because you represent/come from the country of his enemy.

When will this end?
It ends if either they are all dead , or when we all become moslims.
In the mean time the world will see a lot more suffering.
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« Reply #5 on: 21 January 2010, 22:04:05 »
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Stoffel, I wont enter in that in detail in this thread, but I assure you you got that comparrison of Islam and Christianism wrong, as well as our muslim activist have it wrong the other way round.

But, coming back to topic, it is all about doing some research when you post stuff AND have an opinion about it (this to you, Koen): The point is that those scopes are manufactured by a company (Trijicon) that is run by a religious fundamentalistic family that have the idea of "Aiming For The Bible" (http://www.trijicon.com/about.cfm , scroll down a bit and then start googling with what you find) and got their contracts through Bush and Cheney in person, they are also sellling coffee mugs, this is not a co--incidence:



Here a few good takes from another forum:

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...at Trijicon start put biblical quotes on the weapons of American (read: Christian) soldiers. Apparently the yokels never thought to consider that doing so would prove Al-Qaeda's claim as the Iraq/Afghanistan war as a religious as being correct? Not to mention violating the US Constitution about a seperation of church and state, and the Army's own rules against proselytizing (and in a Muslim country to boot, that really takes to a whole new level of stupidity).

Trijicon's answer: Those who are criticize us are not Christian. Ok fine I am not a Christian (by their standards). I can live with that, and by the same token let me say that Trijicon is a company run by utter, f***** morons. I mean seriously, way to go dumbass! Here we are trying to convice the 1 Billion+ Muslims of the world that we are NOT fighting a religious war in Iraq and Afghanistan and meanwhile you seem to be providing the enemy with 1000 new Al-Qaeda recruitment videos explaining exactly the opposite. Why don't you just hand out Al-Qaeda literature while your at it?


Here what the boss of this company himself has to say (Henk, does that not sound Muslim if it were quoted at reverse?):

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"...and when we see the halo of blood erupting from the back of the non-believer's skull, do we not also see the glory of My Father?"

..."coalition snipers have enjoyed increased success since being issued with new rifle scopes that have a little pair of bright red horns painted on the end so that they can be positioned over the soon-to-be-exploding head of their Muslim target"...

Nathan Muir, chief executive of manufacturers, said: "We also include a biblical code on the side of the scope. I saw Pulp Fiction a few years ago and the bit with Samuel L Jackson quoting Ezekial while holding an enormous hand gun gave me a very powerful inspiration."


Sometimes I feel I am living on a different planet as some of the ppl I have to share it with, I suddenly feel sick, looks this going to become a habit...

FWIW,

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« Reply #6 on: 21 January 2010, 22:07:42 »
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This is the main idea I have about it;)

I do think that a government should avoid any signs/expressions of religion in public functions.
Keep in mind that I do condemn all religions as a whole when they are, agressive by nature, violent, disrespectfull and hatefull agaisnt ohter religions.

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« Reply #7 on: 21 January 2010, 22:09:02 »
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I don't find in my reply a reason why you should react like this.
All the things you mention...well....me too I read serious stuff, watch serious docus and reports on TV and more!
The impression you give in your response is that you are correcting me which could give people who don't know me a total wrong idea about my person.

I'm against ALL violence or anything else that leads to/motivates/inspires fighting/war/terrorism.

I also think it's to easy to say it's always the muslims or the Islam or the Koran.
When all muslims are a problem should we ban them out of our countries?

I'm not known with the written Koran text but what I've seen in docus and more is that you can understand it and interpretate it how you want...

There's NO reason to implement these texts on weapons, are they there to give the soldier a 'holy' task/feeling? that he does his thing for christianity?

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It ends if either they are all dead , or when we all become moslims.

woooww, so the world is damned?
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« Reply #8 on: 21 January 2010, 22:12:39 »
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But, coming back to topic, it is all about doing some research when you post stuff AND have an opinion about it (this to you, Koen)


well, I don't agree.
Since I'm the only one who makes reports I keep it to the links and quotes. I do research or else I won't have posts like this to post.
What I don't do is force my opinion, which I always have, into every post I report on. I'ts not about MY opinion, it's all about the report...the news.
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Come on, guys!  If I saw "jn8:12" on some equipment, I certainly wouldn't think 'Oh, good, a bible verse' or 'why are you preaching to me, that's against the constitution'.  I'd think it was some technical data or some type of manufacturer's mark. (which it is, in a way . . .) and ignore it.

The quoted articles are a bit mis-leading as the verse is not spelled out, only a refernce to it in abbreviated form.  One would have to know what one was looking for in order to be offended or rejoice in the message depending on one's view.  A company in the US isn't restricted to having religious believers or atheists.  A government contract with that company can't be viewed as support for a particular religion, atheism or a political view. 
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