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Author Topic: The "To Be or To Do" Invitation - How One Man Can Change The Art Of War  (Read 12531 times)
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« on: 16 December 2009, 16:48:38 »
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Long time I have it on my list to write a post about this gentleman and his famous "To Be or To Do?" invitation:

Few people outide the USAF or outside the US know how important this man was not only for the modern air war, but also for the USMC´s effectiveness and Modern Maneuver Warfare Doctrine, I will try and shade a light on this cntroversial character and try to show his significance for what most of us today see as "normal (I will mix a lot of sources, a complete list at the bottom).

Of all the things he wrote or said, what had most people curious was probably his "To be or to do?" invitation:

Although he associated with many junior officers during his Air Force career, there were a few, perhaps half a dozen, that he had such respect for that he invited them to join him on his quest for change. Each one would be offered the choice: Be someone - be recognized by the system and promoted - or do something that would last for the Air Force and the country. It was unfortunate, and says something about the state of American's armed forces, that it was rarely possible to do both1.

His biographer, Robert Coram, collected the invitation from an officer who got it and selected the "to do" option, and he confirmed its essence from several others1.

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“Tiger, one day you will come to a fork in the road,” he said. “And you’re going to have to make a decision about which direction you want to go.”

He raised his hand and pointed. “If you go that way you can be somebody. You will have to make compromises and you will have to turn your back on your friends. But you will be a member of the club and you will get promoted and you will get good assignments.”

Then he raised his other hand and pointed another direction. “Or you can go that way and you can do something – something for your country and for your Air Force and for yourself. If you decide you want to do something, you may not get promoted and you may not get the good assignments and you certainly will not be a favorite of your superiors. But you won’t have to compromise yourself. You will be true to your friends and to yourself. And your work might make a difference.”

He paused and stared into the officer’s eyes and heart. “To be somebody or to do something. In life there is often a roll call. That’s when you will have to make a decision. To be or to do. Which way will you go?


Col John R. Boyd, USAF, The Fighter Pilot Who Changed the Art of Air Warfare. That is the title of Robert Corams Biography of this gentleman2, and it is right, but, as I mentioned above, falls short, he actually changed the *whole* Art of Modern Warfare.


John Boyd in 1952, after winning his wings as an Air Force pilot (Boyd Family Photo)

All started out like this, more or less:

Lieutenant John Boyd and his flight leader saw the dozen-odd MiGs take off in the distance from an airfield North of the Yalu River. They were going to chase and shoot them down for an easy victory. Boyd was certain of it; already he had gained a reputation as a great fighter pilot, even as a wingman. But Boyd never would be a combat flight leader; it was 1953, and the war would be over in a few months. He had only 22 of the necessary 30 combat missions to qualify.

The MiGs continued to climb, and Boyd stayed close to his leader, ensuring that he covered his "six." The silver prey eventually saw the hunters and began to react. One of the enemy planes maneuvered expertly and gained an advantage on Boyd. But because of his keen sense and an early "tallyho," Boyd executed a series of quick maneuvers, forcing the MiG to overshoot.

The MiG could out-climb, out-turn, and out-accelerate the darling of U.S. military aviation, the F-86 Sabre Jet. What the F-86 could do better, however, was transition between maneuvers more quickly than the MiG. The hydraulic boost to the flight control surfaces on the Sabre allowed the F-86 to transition quickly in the roll, pitch, and yaw axes.

These fast transients and energy maneuverability (the ability to lose and gain energy quickly) stuck with Boyd and led to some of his most important concepts in both fighter combat and maneuver warfare.
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And it was not co-incidence, rather a new approach to dog-fighting: Up to the 1950´s and with the WWII lessons still imprinted, pilots considered air dog fights an art, Boyd developed his energy conservation and transformation theories, refined them bit by bit and proved them all wrong:

During the 1950s, John Boyd dominated fighter aviation in the U.S. Air Force. His fame came on the wings of the quirky and treacherous F-100; the infamous "Hun." Boyd was known throughout the Air Force as "Forty-Second Boyd," because he had a standing offer to all pilots that if they could defeat them in simulated air-to-air combat in under 40 seconds, he would pay them $40. Like any gunslinger with a name and a reputation, he was called out many times. As an instructor at the Fighter Weapons School (FWS) at Nellis AFB, he fought students, cadre pilots, Marine and Navy pilots, and pilots from a dozen countries, who were attending the FWS as part of the Mutual Defense Assistance Pact.

He never lost.

Boyd was famous for a maneuver he called "flat-plating the bird." He would be in the defensive position with a challenger tight on his tail, both pulling heavy Gs, when he would suddenly pull the stick full aft, brace his elbows on either side of the cockpit, so the stick would not move laterally, and stomp the rudder. It was as if a manhole cover were sailing through the air and then suddenly flipped 90 degrees. The underside of the fuselage, wings, and horizontal stabilizer became a speed brake that slowed the Hun from 400 knots to 150 knots in seconds. The pursuing pilot was thrown forward and now Boyd was on his tail radioing "Guns. Guns. Guns."
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He was appying science to all maneuvers, dissected and anlysed them, and then came up with his (general knowledge and how every AF on the planet operates) "Aerial Attack Study" and his "Energy Maneuverability" theory:

After his six-years at Nellis, Boyd returned to college for another undergraduate degree. He went to the Georgia Institute of Technology where, one night while studying for an exam in thermodynamics, he had the epiphany that became his famous Energy-Maneuverability Theory, or E-M Theory, as it came to be known.

The E-M Theory changed everything that everyone thought they knew about fighter combat. It enabled fighter pilots to evaluate their energy potential at any altitude and at any maneuver. And, perhaps more importantly, the energy potential of their adversary. It changed forever the way aircraft are fought in combat.
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Harry Hillaker, the chief designer of the F-16, shades a light on how he ticked and what he was obsessed with:4

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As I sat sipping an after-dinner drink in the Officer's Club at Eglin Air Force Base in the Florida panhandle, I was distracted by the antics of three pilots, still in their flight suits, standing at the bar. One of them, tall with dark curly hair and a cigar in his mouth, talked in a loud animated manner. He used his hands to emphasize his words as fighter pilots are prone to do. I commented to my host, a colonel and chief of development planning, "There's a guy who obviously thinks he's the world's hottest fighter pilot."

"That's John Boyd, who may well be one of the hottest pilots around," my host responded. "You should meet him."

I wasn't too interested because I don't cotton much to loud, showy people. My host, however, insisted. It turned out that Boyd didn't "cotton" to me either. Upon learning that I was from industry and working on the F-111, he really blistered me.

"You call the F-111 a fighter?" he asked.

"It's designated a fighter-bomber," I countered, which didn't placate him in the least.

"You guys in industry — this, and you contractors — that," he ranted. He thought I didn't know "beans" (not the exact word he used) about fighters. The atmosphere, to say the least, was icy. Our lively discussion continued. As we bantered, we slowly began to understand each other. We parted on somewhat amiable terms.

Little did I realize how profound that meeting would be. A few days later, back home in my office, I received a phone call from an associate of Boyd's who also knew me. Boyd had decided that I knew more than a little about aircraft conceptual design and wanted to know if I would be interested in meeting with him again. This time for a more productive purpose: to help him translate his new energy-maneuverability theory into relevant and meaningful aircraft parameters.

I had gleaned just enough from our fiery discussion to pique my curiosity. I agreed, and thus began a long and extremely satisfying and productive association. Over the next six years, I participated in many all-night sessions in Washington DC with Boyd and his small elite group. The group was dubbed the "Fighter Mafia" because of its close-knit underground operation. The mafia dissected and analyzed every facet of air combat and its relevance to aircraft parameters. In the process, we defined a concept for what became known as the Lightweight Fighter, progenitor to the F-16.

Boyd, as a combat pilot in Korea and as a tactics instructor at Nellis AFB in the Nevada desert, observed, analyzed, and assimilated the relative energy states of his aircraft and those of his opponent's during air combat engagements. For nearly five years at Nellis, he flew two to three times a day against other fighters, mostly F-100 SuperSabres. He found that he could gain the advantage under one set of maneuvering conditions and that his opponent could gain the advantage under another set of maneuvering conditions.

He also noted that, when he was in a position of advantage, his energy was higher than that of his opponent and that he lost that advantage when he allowed his energy to decay to less than that of this opponent. By applying this knowledge, he sharpened his skills to such a high degree that he became known as "Forty-Second Boyd." All were astounded and humbled by his incredible skill.

Boyd himself was not overwhelmed by such feats. He fully understood that his knowledge of how to use the strengths and weaknesses of an airplane to his advantage enabled him to prevail over his opponents and not necessarily his pilot skills, as good as they may have been. He had a passion for insight and an unbending commitment for truth and understanding. He sought to understand the intricacies of maneuvering flightÑWhat was it about the airplane that would limit or prevent him from making it do what he wanted it to do?

To gain a finer understanding, he probed the principles of thermodynamics. He wanted to understand the states of energyÑtheir conversion and their equilibrium. He knew that, when turning from a steady-state flight condition, the airplane under a given power setting would either slow down or lose altitude or both. The result meant he was losing energy (the drag exceeded the thrust available from the engine). From these observations, he concluded that maneuvering for position was basically an energy problem. Winning required the proper management of energy available at the conditions existing at any point during a combat engagement.

This train of thought led Boyd to develop a means of quantifying pertinent maneuver parameters into a meaningful form, a form that became the yardstick for identifying and measuring areas of advantage of opposing fighters within the combat arena. The parameters could also be used to establish areas of maximum maneuver potential in the design of new aircraft. His concept is based on "fast transients," that is, quick changes in speed, altitude, and direction. By "fast" he didn't mean speed. He meant time. The idea of "fast transients" advances the theory that, to win or gain superiority, you must get inside the adversary's time scale. Boyd called this time scale the OODA loop (OODA, for Observation-Orientation-Decision-Action).

Boyd postulated that all engagements of opposing forces can be divided into four essential elements: (1) observe and interpret the situation, (2) become oriented to the condition and intensity of the situation, (3) make a decision as to what response to make, and (4) put that response into action. The key is to obscure your intentions and make them unpredictable to your opponent while you simultaneously clarify his intentions. That is, operate at a faster tempo to generate rapidly changing conditions that inhibit your opponent from adapting or reacting to those changes and that suppress or destroy his awareness. Thus, a "hodge-podge" of confusion and disorder occur to cause him to over- or under-react to conditions or activities that appear to be uncertain, ambiguous, or incomprehensible.



Current air combat tactics manuals have borrowed and customized the OODA formula:

Regardless of the acronym used, any fighter pilot engaged in air combat first observes the adversary with exterior or onboard sensors, or the pilot's own vision. Then the pilot predicts a course of maneuver for the enemy based on an assessment of the enemy's energy state, knowledge of the enemy's tactics, aircraft, and relative advantage in position. Next, the pilot assesses a maneuver needed to defeat an adversary's attack or to counter an adversary's defensive move while on the offensive. Finally, a maneuver is accomplished with great speed, which often is unpredictable and asymmetrical. The cycle is then repeated. If a series of maneuvers can be accomplished with enough quickness to keep the adversary from reacting with appropriate counter-maneuvers, then victory is certain.

Boyd's OODA loop was only one in a long line of innovations he introduced over the course of his professional career.

His culminating treatise, A Discourse on Winning and Losing [The Green Book]5 was never published officially; but it has been reproduced thousands of times
2 (and a highly recommended read in all it´s chapters as linked to below, R.).

Boyd was not really popular wit his Highers: He was proposing things they had not thought about, was disturbing their schemes, so, he got hit from above:

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One of the most able and successful brains I met in any army. Needless to say, he never rose in the war above the rank of colonel.”

-British Prime Minister David Lloyd George

(this quote is a joke of cause, as George was - as everybody knows - referning to Richard Meinhertzhagen during WWI, but it is a quotation that would have credited Boyd also)...

Then came Vietnam:

The Vietnam War had a significant impact on the way the Marine Corps would prepare to fight in future wars. Unlike the other services, the Corps' experience on the battlefields of Vietnam led to a conclusion that the American way of attrition warfare was not a successful means of war fighting. While the other services were embroiled in preparing for the imminent battle that was going to take place in the sky, and on the ground, and on the high seas, the Marine Corps realized that it had neither the numbers nor the equipment to compete in this environment.

According to a Brookings Institute study in 1976, the Marine Corps faced two dilemmas following the Vietnam War. The first was the chronic difficulty in meeting recruiting goals required to fill a 196,000-member Corps. The second was a belief by many that there was no utility for future large force amphibious operations, the Marine Corps' specialty. According to Brookings:

"The Corps must shift its principal focus from sea borne assault to a more appropriate mission, such as garrisoning America's remaining outposts in Asia or defending Central Europe. The golden age of amphibious warfare is now the domain of historians, and the Marine Corps no longer needs a unique mission to justify its existence."

The small size and cohesiveness of the Marine Corps made it an ideal vehicle for the concepts of Colonel Boyd's maneuver warfare in place the traditional attrition warfare.

Colonel Boyd's ideas on warfare could be categorized, according to William S. Lind, et al., in their article, "The Changing Face of War: Into the Fourth Generation,"6 as the third generation of warfare. The article divides modern warfare into three generations and lays the foundation for a fourth generation. According to Lind, technological advances drove the first two generations while the last two are driven primarily by ideas. Lind explains first- and second-generation warfare.

First generation warfare reflects tactics of the era of the smoothbore musket, the tactics of line and column. . . . Operational art in the first generation did not exist as a concept although it was practiced by individual commanders, most prominently Napoleon. . . . Second generation warfare was a response to the rifled musket, breechloaders, barbed wire, the machinegun, and indirect fire. Tactics were based on fire and movement, and they remained essentially linear . . . the principal change from first generation tactics was heavy reliance on indirect fire. . . . Second generation tactics remained the basis of U.S. doctrine until the 1980s and they are still practiced by most American units in the field.6

While the other services still were mired in second-generation warfare (attrition warfare), a few in the Marine Corps recognized the need to progress to the third generation, or maneuver warfare.

This can be traced to the battlefields of Europe in 1918. According to Lind:

[The] third generation of warfare was also a response to the increase in battlefield firepower. However, the driving force was primarily ideas. . . . Based on maneuver rather than attrition, third generation tactics were the first truly nonlinear tactics. The attack relied on infiltration to bypass and collapse the enemy's combat forces rather than seeking to close with and destroy them. . . . The basis of the operational art shifted from place (as in Liddell-Hart's indirect approach) to time. This shift was explicitly recognized . . . [in the work of Colonel John Boyd].

Two significant factors emerge from analyzing fourth-generation warfare. The first arose as a lesson from the Gulf War: "If you fight the West, don't mass conventional forces in the open or in static defensive positions, where it is easy to separate friend from foe."

Fourth-generation warfare will be characterized by an "increased reliance on irregular/urban combat, with intermingling of friendly, hostile and neutral parties." According to defense analyst Franklin C. Spinney, "the rise of fourth generation warfare implies an increased need for irregular warfighting skills . . . with decreased reliance on firepower/attrition in ground warfare . . . [and] decreased reliance on deep strike/strategic bombardment in air warfare." Though the ideas of maneuver warfare are only some 80 years old, the emergence of a fourth generation of warfare will require new ideas in war fighting.

Lind identified four elements that carry over from the third to the fourth generation of warfare:

    * The first is mission orders. . . .

    * Second is decreasing dependence on centralized logistics. . . .

    * Third is more emphasis on maneuver. Mass, of men or firepower, will no longer be an overwhelming factor. In fact, mass may become a disadvantage, as it will be easy to target. Small, highly maneuverable, agile forces will tend to dominate. . . . [and]

    * Fourth is a goal of collapsing the enemy internally rather than physically destroying him.11

Boyd's ideas are the basis of the current Marine Corps warfighting philosophy. According to Lind, his ideas should have a lasting impact. It took nearly ten years for Boyd's ideas to become the basis of Marine Corps warfighting doctrine — an ironic and unintended consequence of one retired Air Force colonel's work.

Many senior ranking military officers in the Pentagon were fortunate to hear Boyd's four-to five-hour briefings on "Patterns of Conflict." Several later spent a significant amount of time with Boyd; two of them being then-Marine Corps Commandant General Robert H. Barrow and future Commandant Lieutenant General P. X. Kelley.12

The concepts of maneuver warfare as the Marine Corps adopted them had their roots in two individuals, one a civilian military theorist and the other a Marine: William Lind and Colonel Michael Wyly. In 1979, Colonel Wyly was head of tactics at the Amphibious Warfare School (AWS). His boss, Marine Major General Bernard Trainor, mandated that he develop a course of tactics that was out on the fringes of existing doctrine.


Civilian military theorist William S. Lind (in tuxedo) introduced the head of tactics at the Amphibious Warfare School, Marine Colonel Michael Wyly (decanting wine, at right of picture) to retired Air Force Colonel John Boyd in 1979. At left is Marine Brigadier General Paul K. Van Riper, another doctrine innovator.

After experiencing the futility of attrition warfare as a platoon commander in Vietnam, he secured permission to change the way tactics were being instructed at AWS and commenced teaching free-playing war games in lieu of lecture. Unfortunately, this new curriculum would make five hours of planned lectures irrelevant.

In 1979, contemporary to Colonel Wyly's war games, Lind was working on a version of maneuver warfare. Unlike Wyly, Lind was familiar with Boyd's work. Lind, as well as Army Lieutenant Colonel Huba Wass de Czege (founder of the School of Advanced Military Studies [SAMS] at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, and a Boyd protégé), was instrumental in initiating the Army's doctrinal debate regarding active defense for the European theater. Lind ran into Wyly while observing one of the battalion exercises at the AWS. Wyly approached Lind and stated, "I know what I am against-attrition warfare-but I have yet to really formulate a program I am in favor of, so I am experimenting, and teaching from history and real experience-instead of from manuals."

This exchange began many years of debate and controversy in the Marine Corps. During this exchange, Lind told Wyly about a retired Air Force colonel doing the same type of work. Thus commenced an 18-year relationship between Boyd and Wyly.

In 1979 Boyd began his relationship with the professional development and training of Marine Corps officers. That year was the first he was invited to speak at the Amphibious Warfare School. The first occasion was momentous for a small group of officers who stayed to hear Colonel Boyd talk late into the evening.15 Boyd's ideas on maneuver warfare, however, were not accepted immediately. Like many evolutionary changes, "his ideas were generally shunned by the hierarchy and embraced by a slowly growing number of junior officers, mostly captains. . . . Today those captains are colonels and generals or civilians."16 The Marine Corps did not embrace Boyd's maneuver warfare ideas until another individual came on the scene.

The senior Marine Corps officer who did the most to foster and bring about acceptance of these maneuver warfare concepts was General Alfred Gray. General Gray, at the time a brigadier general and head of the Marine Corps Development Center, was responsible for generating doctrine for the Corps.17 Not until he became commanding general of the 2d Marine Division did maneuver warfare concepts begin to be established. By the early 1980s, Wyly, Lind, and a small coterie of junior officers began developing concepts for what would become the Marine model of maneuver warfare.

A small group of these captains cornered their boss one night in the officer's club and implored him to move the Marine Corps to this mode of warfare. General Gray began inviting both Lind and Boyd to evaluate and teach maneuver warfare concepts at the 2d Marine Division.18

Between 1979 and 1993, The Marine Corps Gazette published more than 50 articles concerning maneuver warfare. The Marine Corps of the early 1980s was concerned, as were the other services, with facing the Soviet Union. The Corps knew it was outnumbered and outgunned for wherever this conflict might occur. According to Colonel Wyly, "John's ideas gave us something realistic we could do toward surviving and winning. We needed something we could believe in, and John's ideas gave it to us."19

The first of these articles was Lind's "Defining Maneuver Warfare for the Marine Corps," which laid out the fallacy of firepower-attrition type warfare. According to him, "the conflict is more physical than mental. Efforts focus on the tactical level with goals set in terms of terrain. Defenses tend to be linear, attacks frontal, battles set-piece and the movement pre-planned and slow."20 Lind attempted to show the stark differences between attrition and maneuver warfare. "The goal [of maneuver warfare at the operational level] is destruction of the enemy's vital cohesion—disruption—not by piece-by-piece physical destruction. The objective is the enemy's mind not his body. The principal tool is moving forces into unexpected places at surprisingly high speeds."21

The other notable difference that Lind cited is in the use of firepower. These early aspects of maneuver warfare saw firepower as merely a facilitator to maneuver. In this respect, firepower is used to exploit enemy weakness, enabling a force to maneuver and then later destroy the bypassed enemy forces.

Lind wrote: "The Boyd Theory is the theory of maneuver warfare." Maneuver warfare is not only the action on the battlefield giving it identity, but also the result or objective of breaking down the opponent mentally, emotionally, and psychologically. Lind concluded that maneuver warfare is relevant, especially to the Marine Corps. "It is relevant, because maneuver warfare is the most promising tool for the side with fewer numbers and less weight of metal . . . an attrition contest is not promising for the outnumbered forces, . . . maneuver makes quantitative factors less important by striking at the enemy's mind."

What finally turned years of struggle into something concrete was General Gray's publication of FMFM (Fleet Marine Force Manual)-1, Warfighting, a document that would be the cornerstone for all other Marine Corps doctrinal publications. A small group, including retired Colonel Boyd, was instrumental in producing this seminal publication. For many, it offered a radical departure from the ideas of attrition. FMFM-1, now MCDP-1, offered all Marines a common purpose and direction. "Maneuver warfare is a warfighting philosophy that seeks to shatter the enemy's cohesion through a variety of rapid, focused, and unexpected actions which create a turbulent and rapidly deteriorating situation with which the enemy cannot cope."

Colonel Boyd should be considered one of the most important military theorists of the United States. Though his ideas permeate disparate disciplines such as business and the military art, only a few now know his name. He would want it that way. His ideas had no proprietorship. This dedication to ideas—from publishing Aerial Attack Study, to inventing Energy Maneuverability Theory, to being a Pentagon reformer, to, finally, writing The Green Book—was the thread of his life.
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To close this, a hommage when John Boyd died 1997 of cancer, by General Charles Krulak, then-Commandant of the U.S. Marine Corps:

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11 Mar 97

I was deeply saddened to learn of the passing of Colonel John Boyd, USAF (Ret). How does one begin to pay homage to a warrior like John Boyd? He was a towering intellect who made unsurpassed contributions to the American art of war. Indeed, he was one of the central architects in the reform of military thought which swept the services, and in particular the Marine Corps, in the 1980s. From John Boyd we learned about competitive decision making on the battlefield-compressing time, using time as an ally. Thousands of officers in all our services knew John Boyd by his work on what was to be known as the Boyd Cycle or the OODA Loop. His writings and his lectures had a fundamental impact on the curriculum of virtually every professional military education program in the United States. . . .

So, how does one pay homage to a man like John Boyd? Perhaps best by remembering that Colonel Boyd never sought the acclaim won him by his thinking. He only wanted to make a difference in the next war . . . and he did. That ancient book of wisdom-Proverbs-sums up John's contribution to his nation: "A wise man is strong and a man of knowledge adds to his strength; for by wise guidance you will wage your war, and there is victory in a multitude of counselors." I, and his Corps of Marines, will miss our counselor terribly.

C. C. Krulak
General, U.S. Marine Corps
Commandant, U.S. Marine Corps



Boyd gave much to the Air Force in service and legacy. It is in the U.S. Marine Corps, however, that his ideas on warfare have had a major impact. This would not have bothered Colonel Boyd. Time will tell whether his concepts of warfare will be valid in the predictable uncertainty of future warfare.



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1) Defense and the National Interest, JUL 1, 2007: http://www.d-n-i.net/dni/john-r-boyd/to-be-or-to-do/

2) "John Boyd - USAF: The Fighter Pilot Who Changed the Art of Air Warfare", by Robert Coram: http://www.aviation-history.com/airmen/boyd.htm

3) "Warfighting Brought to You by . . .", by Major Jeffrey L. Cowan, U.S. Air Force: http://www.d-n-i.net/fcs/cowan_proceedings.htm

4) "Tribute To John R. Boyd"; By Harry Hillaker: http://www.codeonemagazine.com/archives/1997/articles/jul_97/july2a_97.html

5) "A Discourse on Winning and Losing"; By Co. John R. Boyd: Introduction: http://www.d-n-i.net/boyd/pdf/intro.pdf; Patterns of Conflict: http://www.d-n-i.net/boyd/patterns.ppt; Organic Design for Command and Control: http://www.d-n-i.net/boyd/organic_design.pdf; Strategic Game of ? and ?: http://www.d-n-i.net/boyd/strategic_game.ppt; Destruction and Creation: http://www.chetrichards.com/modern_business_strategy/boyd/destruction/destruction_and_creation.htm; The Essence of Winning and Losing: http://www.chetrichards.com/modern_business_strategy/boyd/essence/eowl_frameset.htm

6) "The Changing Face of War: Into the Fourth Generation": by: William S. Lind, Colonel Keith Nightengale (USA),
 Captain John F. Schmitt (USMC), Colonel Joseph W. Sutton (USA), and Lieutenant Colonel Gary I. Wilson (USMCR): http://www.d-n-i.net/fcs/4th_gen_war_gazette.htm


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Very interesting article Rattler.  Thank you.  Have you ever played the flight sim IL-2 btw?
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Really. What more can I do than post a *red* ad to say this post is not open for comments yet?? Maybe you guys post in 10 secs, for me each and every post except the casual "LOL" takes 1-3 hours... hdbng

Seriously Tanker, I am in the middle of research still, this post hasn´t been finished yet, and it will take some more hours until it fits what I  want to say/state... Smiley

One thing is to *know* stuff, the other thing is to put into words, back it up with research, then form an opinion, counter research it, find the links and document them (that is my journo part of my soul credo). You are welcome to comment again once it *is* finaly finished... Smiley

This said: Re Flight Sims, there was one out in the mid ´90s (for Mac only), an A-10 model which delivered the sensations I lived in a trainer once, but apart from that, sims do - from my POV - *NOT* replicate RL feelings (interestingly, there hasn´t been a C-160 sim around for Mac that I knew of).

Sims are fine for showing you e.g., the sequence of instruments accessment, but you will *never* feel the g´s which are a main source of orientation/disorientation, even if they are stick resitance models that model stick forcces which with modern a/c are obsolete).

If it costs you to moving 40 kg to just to lift your arm, or 1 kg to lift your index finger (try it with a pack of rice), you are in a different world than the sim planet (pun intended).

Anyway, let me finish the post; so far it only treats air warfare, but this Boyd gentleman went much beyond...

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Sorry Matt.  Perhaps you could just plainly write,"don't post here"?  Or lock it?  That's 2 suggestions.  Just delete my post.
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Sorry Matt.  Perhaps you could just plainly write,"don't post here"?  Or lock it?  That's 2 suggestions.  Just delete my post.

I sort of thought "this post is not finished, come back later" would do the trick.. Smiley

Don´t you worry, I have no means nor powers to lock this post nor delete yours, and no intentions either, I belive in free comms!, just, there is *much more* to come yet!... Smiley Satndby another hour or so, and you will ge the whole text... Smiley

Seriousl, you replying is fine with me, I always am intrigued to find out how text works on people (and this without *any* whatosever offence meant!), it seems even if you paint stuff in *red* after accidentally posting (has happened to me before also) sometimes you simply do not see/register it.

Onwards, will continue the post, soon it will be ready to comment from all aspects Smiley

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« Reply #5 on: 16 December 2009, 23:43:28 »
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Now got the post finished, prepared for incoming (to see the post that was starting this thread, scroll up)!

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« Reply #6 on: 17 December 2009, 05:58:19 »
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Sorry Matt.  Perhaps you could just plainly write,"don't post here"?  Or lock it?  That's 2 suggestions.  Just delete my post.

I sort of thought "this post is not finished, come back later" would do the trick.. Smiley

Don´t you worry, I have no means nor powers to lock this post nor delete yours, and no intentions either, I belive in free comms!, just, there is *much more* to come yet!... Smiley Satndby another hour or so, and you will ge the whole text... Smiley

Seriousl, you replying is fine with me, I always am intrigued to find out how text works on people (and this without *any* whatosever offence meant!), it seems even if you paint stuff in *red* after accidentally posting (has happened to me before also) sometimes you simply do not see/register it.

Onwards, will continue the post, soon it will be ready to comment from all aspects Smiley

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The first rule of communications is to say what you mean directly.  If you don't want someone to post, just say it.  What you posted in red didn't convey your meaning clearly.

No worries, no offense taken.  Educational post.  Thank you.
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« Reply #7 on: 17 December 2009, 14:22:25 »
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Very good post indeed. As a member of the USMC during the war by attrition in Vietnam, I can personally attest to it's shortcomings. The general consensus among the line troops was to change the rules of engagement and  just turn us loose on North Vietnam and to hell with the fear of the Chinese. The desire and will to fight was yet strong in the Corps of that day. In retrospect I recognize the folly of that strategy, however as a young Marine, I surely saw the folly of the one we were operating under.
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« Reply #8 on: 18 December 2009, 01:24:10 »
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Very interesting post, Rattler.  Thanks for taking the time to write this all out.

FACman,  you were in Vietnam?  I'd love to learn more about your personal experiences of the time you spent there. 
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« Reply #9 on: 18 December 2009, 02:38:02 »
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FACman,  you were in Vietnam?  I'd love to learn more about your personal experiences of the time you spent there.



You came to the right place, just the wrong thread, try this one...

http://www.warandtactics.com/smf/vietnam-war/my-tour-of-duty-interview-%27soundtrack%27/

sorry for the hijack Rattler...
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« Reply #10 on: 18 December 2009, 04:59:14 »
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NP, to raise questions and then try and answer them, that´s what we do this for Smiley

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