Matt,
May I remind you.
My mother in law was born in a concentrationcamp, so yes I do know what I am talking about.
Its my people who face extermination if it is up to the Arabs and their supporters.
Thats what I meant when saying you cannot think rationally about it, it is all emotions. Not saying this is bad, it is simply the way it is. Please allow us to treat you as an emotional but not rational commenter henceforward.
I will repeat the words of the IDF chief of staff: Never again the Jewish people will be defenseless.
So, it is a cause of religion for you after all? Then, I will leave you - as all the islamists - behind as being religiously blinded and hence without serious (for me) reason. Have you ever given concern to how bad religion has served us as humans in interconnection? Have you?
And yes I cant speak about this topic with people who are close to being anti-semitic and I will not tolerate it.
Well, if I understand the forum and the world right, you will have to put up to it. You are not GOD, and there are things - you actually are in arms for - that might not fit your liking (I as communist worked hard to allow everybody free speech against the Russian ideas: I elected to give everybody, incl. the Nazis, their say and I hate their ideas, but the idea of being *free* is so much greater...!).
Anti-semitism, you dont "tolerate" it. But you ask for Muslims to tolerate all the swaths at them? Reality check, please?
Religion fouls up your thinking (and mine, so: Forget Religion!), and you are raw meat to the media butchers out there. Thats step one, there are more, but it all comes down to "Think For Yourself!" and that usually works best putting on the shoes of the people you are facing or that are around you.
I reiterate my challenge, come with me to Gaza (after such long time - I was there last in 89 - I will need 6 month least preparation, but *for you* I would strive to make it a go) and then I want to hear you speak again. *I* have been there, you not. I claim to have better insight, hence.
*My* insight was that the media in the US and Germany (and Holland, dont know?) have been playing along a pre-written scheme by the Israelis, once you are there you see who is right and who is wrong, there is no mistaking, and it is actually dead simple just looking at it, no great head revolution needed. Find yourself under fire when doing nothing there and you will get a grip of reality, not what the media tell you or what they form you to believe.
For the record, I am the first to acknowledge and punish racist or anti-religious behaviour here, but you have no say in what you are going to tolerate or not (as a member), except for your right of *personal* response, which *I* went to enlist to grant it, again, and proudly, just for the record.
What have you enlisted for, to serve Israel? As a Dutch? Would this mean I would have to defend the Vatican as a Catholic instead of my German home nation?
At least I have been going out serving an idea (Human Rights, I was asking my subordinates and now am still asking my apprentecis: "What World Do You Want To Live In? Act it, accordingly!") and not a religious or national aspect (whether this was right or wrong history will tell). This was an US idea, of course, and I now realize they did not mean it the way I understood it then, but this does not make it bad or take one grain to have gone for it. I will keep on trying, as I like the idea of this world imagined.
For me, it was (and still is 30 yrs later) clear: To serve freedom of thought, speech and openminded interaction, personal responsibility and a feel of Right and Wrong. Never wanted to become a Soviet Union slave though being a communist (at those times). Nor will I now become an Israel slave to serve their perverted form of running a country (oh, Syria, well, almost forgot... But is it not the same? Where is your outcry on terrorism? Being anti-Syrian is anti-Shii? Or what? Shiis are bad, Sunnies are good? Or what? So much for being accused of being antisemite...).
If Monty wouldnt have used my name in the beginning to trigger a response ( one he therefore knew that would come) I wouldnt have reacted anyway..
If thats your take, why did you do it? Got carried away? Happens to all of us, sometimes, but: Then it would seem an apology would be the sincere way to go (totally from my POV, of course). I did not react to your provocative remark of my sharing my knowledge of German inclinations (which I presume to know better than you) though I could have, and ferociously, I just let it be. Why? Because if we are facing "beliefs" nothing will work out discussing, "beliefs" are just out of it (see Islamists, Jews, Catholics, etc.). No reason to get personal (in a discussion or debate), or did you like the Crusades?
Get a life, Stoffel, you are such a great guy, start thinking out of the box and off from what your media tell you, there are real people out there like you and me, and we are getting spoonged. Come to the people (you are one of them), stay off of politicians mouth work - right or left are equal in this - and you just might make it to another level before you die. At least thats what I hope to achieve for myself...
FWIW,
Kindest regards,
Rattler
