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Title: German Soldiers' Memorial
Post by: Alan65 on 9 September 2009, 20:25:03
(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x241/Alanp_photo/WWII/non-pcdeathnoticeinside.jpg)
small pamphlet memorializing a German soldier, Franz Mayer, who "died on 4 March 1943, due to an illness in a hospital in the East".  I presume he was fighting on the Eastern Front.  The small pamphlet is quite Christian and religious compared to a lot of what we see with regard to German soldiers of this time.  However there is a swastika on the front, with a cross on the back. 


Title: German Soldiers' Memorial
Post by: Koen on 9 September 2009, 21:12:16
text is quite interesting...seems he entered a convent as a religious man...

maybe Rattler can help us some more with the German text...quite remarkable though...seems he was a religious man...probably that was the reason a Cross was put on the card...


Title: Re: German Soldiers' Memorial
Post by: Rattler on 9 September 2009, 22:11:46
This does not look like a postcard at all, as it clearly depicts a newspaper death notification posted by the family, those (up to today) all look fairly religious and follow the same form.

I do not which newspaper they had in "Klotten und Steinfeld", but in the lower right corner there is the number of the ad : 1193/43

The text reads:

Quote
In Devout Memory
of my good son, our dear brother, brother-in-law, uncle and nephew

FRANZ MAYER
NCO in a light transport column

Born in Klotten, JUL 31, 1919
he laid down his vows on May 1, 1931
with the Salvatorians in Klausheide
and then lived in the convent community
in Steinfeld under the name of Brother
Waldebert. He died March 4, 1943
as consequence of an illness in a field hospital
in the East with faith in God and his fatherland.

We ask for a silent prayer for the piece of soul
of the dear deceased.

In profound mourning:
Mrs. Maria Mayer, neƩ Thomas
Rudolf Mayer, currently deployed
Hans Mayer, currently deployed

Klotten and Steinfeld, March 18, 1943

The first requiem will be held on Tuesday,
March 23, 1943, in the parroquial church
in Klotten

Together with the mother, the brothers and
all relatives also mourns the convent community
Steinfeld


Hope that helps,

Rattler


Title: Re: German Soldiers' Memorial
Post by: Koen on 9 September 2009, 22:17:54
thx for the info on the number....didn't know we can use it to track down more info...did you google?


Title: Re: German Soldiers' Memorial
Post by: Rattler on 9 September 2009, 22:38:45
thx for the info on the number....didn't know we can use it to track down more info...did you google?


No.

Rattler


Title: Re: German Soldiers' Memorial
Post by: Koen on 9 September 2009, 22:43:59
thx for the info on the number....didn't know we can use it to track down more info...did you google?


No.

Rattler


so...if not...you should've shared your knowledge with us automatically with us... miltoungie


Title: Re: German Soldiers' Memorial
Post by: Alan65 on 9 September 2009, 23:05:37
Thanks for the total translation, Rattler!  I'll clarify, this is not a postcard but a little paper pamphlet In Memoriam like we all get at any memorial service for a departed loved one.  

The juxtapostion of the Nazi swastika on the front [Photobucket just deleted a couple more images of mine this week, so I'm not about to scan and load this one up!] with the rest of the religious tone coupled with the German Army uniform and the notice of the service of other family members is something we usually don't see.   Is it possible he was an army chaplain?  Did the Wehrmacht have them serving in the East? (is this a naive question. . . ?)


Title: Re: German Soldiers' Memorial
Post by: Koen on 9 September 2009, 23:10:46
dunno but der Adolf wasn't so pleased with Christian symbols and such...


Title: Re: German Soldiers' Memorial
Post by: Rattler on 9 September 2009, 23:44:45
-snip-Is it possible he was an army chaplain?  Did the Wehrmacht have them serving in the East? (is this a naive question. . . ?)


Not probable, all army chaplains wer officers and it clearly says "NCO" (Uffz)

Rattler


Title: Re: German Soldiers' Memorial
Post by: Solideo on 15 September 2009, 23:00:08
The other side of memorials, dark and real side

(http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/7595/37889916.jpg) (http://img6.imageshack.us/i/37889916.jpg/)


(http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/9126/116uq.jpg) (http://img197.imageshack.us/i/116uq.jpg/)

(http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/5223/157i.jpg) (http://img147.imageshack.us/i/157i.jpg/)

(http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9624/22618737.jpg) (http://img132.imageshack.us/i/22618737.jpg/)





Title: Re: German Soldiers' Memorial
Post by: Rattler on 16 September 2009, 00:00:15
Great photos, Solideo. So many of them were kids, really, on both sides.

Rattler


Title: Re: German Soldiers' Memorial
Post by: Jilly on 16 September 2009, 04:45:50
Some of these photos are hard to look at.  Such tragedy that so many young lives were taken,  on both sides...

It reminds me of the song '19'.  Referring to the average age of the soldiers who died in the Vietnam war.


Title: Re: German Soldiers' Memorial
Post by: Koen on 22 September 2009, 19:02:27
Some of these photos are hard to look at.  Such tragedy that so many young lives were taken,  on both sides...

It reminds me of the song '19'.  Referring to the average age of the soldiers who died in the Vietnam war.


in the last months of WWII they probably didn't even reached 19 as average on German side...Volkssturm and HitlerJugend


Title: Re: German Soldiers' Memorial
Post by: Jilly on 22 September 2009, 19:05:41
It's very sad...