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Author Topic: WWI German airplane crash/shot down  (Read 65874 times)
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« on: 8 August 2012, 04:56:42 »
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Here's a WWI-era picture postcard showing a German bi-plane.  On the back is hand-written "A Dutch Plane Brought Down".  Now, I assume that 'Dutch' is a corruption of 'deutsch'--an American mis-hearing what was said or misspelling "Deutsch". 

Any way to ID this plane?  the fuselage appears to have a "C." and then possibly either Roman number 2 "II" or else the Russian letter 'ts'.  Would another nation have what looks to me in black-and-white a German cross?  The soldiers aren't American but that's about all I know about their uniforms.

Anyone care to shed some light on this?!?
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« Reply #1 on: 13 August 2012, 06:40:22 »
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My money would be on the aircraft being interpreted as a Fokker which was originally Dutch,  Anthony Fokker was Dutch and built his first aircraft in the Netherlands before moving to Germany in 1912 to build aircraft for the German government.

I would also guess that by the lack of damage to the aircraft it crashed on landing as it looks to have been a low speed crash.

As for information on the aircraft itself, that will take a bit of time however my first guess is that it looks like an Albatros B.II to me which oddly enough wasn't a Fokker so the assumption would be that every German aircraft was a "Fokker" much like during WW2 Every German tank became a "Tiger".

As for the uniforms I suspect they are German and what you are looking at is the recovery of an aircraft and pilot that had crashed on landing by ground and medical staff (in white).

Here is an example of the uniforms from another photo:
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« Reply #2 on: 13 August 2012, 17:32:19 »
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The men in the picture are Germans, note the light jackets which appeared to me the normal white jackets for new recruits.
You may be right on the aircraft, I will aks some of the guys in the airforcemuseum about it when I go there.
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« Reply #3 on: 13 August 2012, 20:46:08 »
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The plane is not the double seater B-II
Its probably the C-X version.
http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=459

The tail section isnt as sharply formed as the B-II and the plane on the pic has only 1 seat.
Its made by Heinkel and not by Fokker.
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« Reply #4 on: 13 August 2012, 22:32:10 »
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Thanks for the info, Monty and Stoffel.

I think the shape of the tail fin in my image is different than the one Monty shows.

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« Reply #5 on: 14 August 2012, 00:48:06 »
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Sorry I should have been clearer, the picture I posted had nothing to do with the aircraft I was trying to show the uniforms as being German but I was under the impression that the "light" coloured uniform was that of a medical person as is shown in my picture with stretcher in the foreground.

Looking at the original picture I am wondering whether the aircraft isn't an LVG C.II the tail section is very similar.

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Sorry I should have been clearer, the picture I posted had nothing to do with the aircraft I was trying to show the uniforms as being German but I was under the impression that the "light" coloured uniform was that of a medical person as is shown in my picture with stretcher in the foreground.

Looking at the original picture I am wondering whether the aircraft isn't an LVG C.II the tail section is very similar.


oops!  Monty, you were clear; I didn't read properly!  So, it it's a LVG C.II, would they put "C. II" on the fuselage as seen in my image?

that does look like one guy in a white/light uniform in my image.

another thing--it sure looks like something has been driving and/or landing/taking off in the field in my picture.  Notice the tracks in the foreground.
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« Reply #7 on: 14 August 2012, 07:52:09 »
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Lets not jump the gun here I am not sure what type the aircraft is.

I suspect the tracking in the foreground are the airfield, I am somewhat convinced at this point that the aircraft has crashed on landing at said airfield.

It was apparently not uncommon for aircraft of the period to go nose down on landing and flip over due to the weight of the engine and the light weight of the aircraft body.
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« Reply #8 on: 14 August 2012, 12:11:22 »
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LOL, OK.

But its good to discuss it and have a look at other types to compare them Smiley
The white jackets arenot for medical troops, its a jacket worn by recruits who hasnt finished basic training.
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« Reply #9 on: 14 August 2012, 16:19:21 »
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So, it it's a LVG C.II, would they put "C. II" on the fuselage as seen in my image?


Should read: if it's a LVG C.II. .  .
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« Reply #10 on: 14 August 2012, 22:34:30 »
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So, it it's a LVG C.II, would they put "C. II" on the fuselage as seen in my image?



Should read: if it's a LVG C.II. .  .



Actually it is a possibility as I have seen a number of pictures with C.II on the fuselage...

Here is one.

 
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