War & Conflicts Discussions => Wars & Conflicts: General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Koen on 9 December 2012, 19:20:05



Title: more Patriots... now in Japan
Post by: Koen on 9 December 2012, 19:20:05
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http://rt.com/news/japan-sets-nkorean-rocket-393/ (http://rt.com/news/japan-sets-nkorean-rocket-393/)
http://www.euronews.com/2012/12/03/japan-deploys-patriot-systems-as-pyongyang-plans-rocket-launch/ (http://www.euronews.com/2012/12/03/japan-deploys-patriot-systems-as-pyongyang-plans-rocket-launch/)

http://www.youtube.com/embed/nX5YwQHQmFo (http://www.youtube.com/embed/nX5YwQHQmFo)

(http://rt.com/files/news/japan-sets-nkorean-rocket-393/tokyo-forces-japan-patriot.n.jpg)
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The Japanese Navy has delivered surface-to-air missile systems in order to battle a perceived threat arising from the planned North Korean rocket launch, Kyodo news announced.

­Two Patriot Advanced Capability-3 batteries have arrived to the island of Ishigaki, some 400 kilometers southwest of Okinawa, on board the JDS Kunisaki. Patriots will also be deployed on Okinawa.

Japan's armed forces have been placed on standby ahead of the planned North Korean missile launch. Japan’s Ministry of Defense has issued an order to destroy the North Korean missile, if after the launch it appears to threaten the country's security, local media report.

On Saturday, the country's defense ministry put troops on alert. "Our ground, marine, and air forces are now preparing to deploy troops in Okinawa," a ministry spokesman told AFP.

Aegis warships are also being deployed in Japanese waters, a number of local news outlets reported this week.

Tokyo maintains that its defense is being readied not to shoot down the Korean rocket, but to avoid any debris that might threaten Japanese territory if the rocket deviates from its planned trajectory.

North Korea has reportedly notified its regional neighbors, including Japan, of the trajectory of the planned launch.

The military buildup around Japan follows Pyongyang's announcement of plans to launch its second long-range rocket this year, between December 10 and 22, after a failed attempt in April. 

The April launch failed when the rocket, carrying a Kwangmyongsong-3 satellite, crashed into the Yellow Sea moments after takeoff.

North Korea claims that it plans to place satellites into orbit for peaceful purposes, while the international community suspects foul play and a coverup for the country's intercontinental ballistic missiles.

UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon strongly urged North Korea Tuesday to reconsider its decision to launch a rocket, which would be "a clear violation" of UN sanctions.



Title: Re: more Patriots... now in Japan
Post by: stoffel on 9 December 2012, 19:58:48
I guess they are right, after all you never know where this missile might come down..............given the failure of the previous test.


Title: Re: more Patriots... now in Japan
Post by: Koen on 10 December 2012, 19:44:48
I guess they are right, after all you never know where this missile might come down..............given the failure of the previous test.

I wonder if they only want/ going to use them patriots when it's coming down.... very tempting to blow it out of the sky....


Title: Re: more Patriots... now in Japan
Post by: stoffel on 11 December 2012, 12:05:51
Not going to work these interballistic missiles fly high, I think they are not in territorial airspace. (rattler might now that)
Should be an act of war, besides I dont know if a Patriot can reach that high.


Title: Re: more Patriots... now in Japan
Post by: Koen on 11 December 2012, 19:51:29
Not going to work these interballistic missiles fly high, I think they are not in territorial airspace. (rattler might now that)
Should be an act of war, besides I dont know if a Patriot can reach that high.

fly high? maybe normal ones will but I wonder if NK ones will.... unless Iran delivered some stuff


Title: Re: more Patriots... now in Japan
Post by: stoffel on 11 December 2012, 21:34:51
I am pretty sure it will fly high enough to be safe :)


Title: Re: more Patriots... now in Japan
Post by: Rattler on 11 December 2012, 23:26:38
A ballistic missile goes out low and slow, flighs high out of range and then enters back in getting low but being fast. Strike zones: a) When slow and low, and b) When re-intering and going parabolic, but then it will be hellisch fast. All with an absolutely predictable trayectory.

Piece of cake for the newest generation Patriots it is not: According to what I found on Patriot it CANNOT intercept Ballistic Missiles even if they are theoretically in range (because of the speed when re-entering it is believed that only kinectic interceptors might work). This might be a bogus downplay, though (wont let the enemy know if we could splash his ICBMs, wont we?), the system idea itself does not exclude a HIMAD ABM defense function from my POV.

I am not an expert, but this is what I have come to understand, anyway.

FWIW,

Rattler


Title: Re: more Patriots... now in Japan
Post by: stoffel on 12 December 2012, 08:54:23
And its exactly what an airforce friend told me :)
And indeed I dont think it would be smart to show the world we can intercept such a missle :)


Title: Re: more Patriots... now in Japan
Post by: Koen on 12 December 2012, 10:30:20
heared on the radio that the missile was launched?


Title: Re: more Patriots... now in Japan
Post by: stoffel on 12 December 2012, 11:17:38
Yes, just read the report.
Apparently it flew low over a Japanese island and debris landed in the ocean.
US intelligencereports mentioned something was launched into orbit.


Title: Re: more Patriots... now in Japan
Post by: Koen on 12 December 2012, 20:05:11
Yes, just read the report.
Apparently it flew low over a Japanese island and debris landed in the ocean.
US intelligencereports mentioned something was launched into orbit.

China reacted negative, I wonder why?