NCO Club: Off Topic Discussions => The Lounge - Get A Beer & Just Chatter Away => Topic started by: Koen on 27 December 2010, 19:46:36



Title: Who am I?
Post by: Koen on 27 December 2010, 19:46:36
I was born in 1880 at Java and died in 1965 in Zürich.

I went to school in Holland and finished high school in Switzerland. I was formed as a technology specialist.

My main achievement was used during WWII at the allied side. My 'thing' was copied by a German spy who later got caught and sentenced as spy along with 32 other spies, he recieved an 18 years sentence.

Who am I?

I will only answer questions with 'yes' or 'no'

The first member who gets it right may start the next 'Who am I?'



Title: Re: Who am I?
Post by: stoffel on 27 December 2010, 20:43:48
Albert Einstein  :whistle:


Title: Re: Who am I?
Post by: Koen on 27 December 2010, 21:20:56
Albert Einstein  :whistle:


no  hihi


Title: Re: Who am I?
Post by: stoffel on 27 December 2010, 21:24:27
LOL, same age :)


Title: Re: Who am I?
Post by: Rattler on 27 December 2010, 21:28:25
Who am I?


"Koen"? (just a hunch...)

Justo to be sure I ascertained asked "cleverbot" (www.cleverbot.com (http://www.cleverbot.com)), but, as usual, he did the "oracle" thingy:

Q:
Quote
If Koen says "Who am I", what you propose for me to answer?


A:
Quote
Why would you want to know if I know the answer if you know the answer?


I then realized this was a game (Koen, as far as I know, has not died yet, and less in Zurich), so I posted the whole question to him... : Voila! He got it straightaway:

Quote
I was born in 1880 at Java and died in 1965 in Zürich. Who am I?


Quote
You are a bot, and you were, in a way, conceived.


Interesting, never knew Koen was a bot...?!

Just joking, this refers to Carl Norden, inventor of a gyro nav system for ships as well as constructor of bomb sights for planes, and I just wanted to test how good cleverbot was.

Details: http://www.nordenretireesclub.org/norden_bio.htm (http://www.nordenretireesclub.org/norden_bio.htm)

Rattler


Title: Re: Who am I?
Post by: Koen on 27 December 2010, 21:45:28
Quote
Just joking, this refers to Carl Norden, inventor of a gyro nav system for ships as well as constructor of bomb sights for planes, and I just wanted to test how good cleverbot was.


correct  hatsoff ... your turn  hihi


Title: Re: Who am I?
Post by: Rattler on 27 December 2010, 22:28:07
Ok, if you say so:

My biography was written up by a ficticious chronist of Arab origin, and - as it was so complex and rich - published in two volumes in the early 17th century. To my own surprise this bio is considered one of the greatest work of fiction ever published and marked the invention of the "novel" as we know it today.

While I was not a straightforward warrior from start (I lived on a farm and worked as farmer), I around the age of 50 became so obsessed with books of chivalry and the honor system they described that I decided to change my name and go in search of true adventure like the ancient knights, dedicating my search to my queen and lady in love, a neighbouring farm girl.

So relentless was my fighting for her that her name until today remains a symbol for hopeless devotion and love, and people are still 400 yrs later devoting paintings, poems and music to her (e.g. the LA based post-metal band Isis):

Isis - In The Absence Of Truth Album 2006, Dulcinea (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ycg8Od101Ug#)

Or statues, like this one from 1957, in my home town:

(http://www.warandtactics.com/Images/my_queen.jpg)

In the course of my travels, I met inn keepers, prostitutes, goatherds, soldiers, priests, convicts, and scorned lovers. All these encounters turned into truly chivalrous quests and made me famous all through the land. OTOH, my tendency to intervene violently in matters which should not have concerned me, and my habit of not paying my debts, resulted in many privations, injuries, and humiliations that are as well known as my glorious victories.

I revolutionized warfare of my time by being the first person known to have described and taken on (not successfully, I am afraid) truly mechanical warriors.

My biography and quests inspired people of art and music all through the world, beneath them so different people as Richard Strauss and Pablo Picasso.

In my motherland everybody even halfway educated would know instantly who I am from the above description, as I am by my fellow countrymen - and proudly so - considered to have been a living example for the virtues and of the dbilities of their breed.

Who am I?

Rattler


Title: Re: Who am I?
Post by: stoffel on 29 December 2010, 19:27:48
Don quichotte.
The women he adored was named  Dulcinea ;)


Title: Re: Who am I?
Post by: Rattler on 29 December 2010, 20:03:44
Don Quijote (Don Quixote) and Dulcinea allright (his horse Rosinante and his servant, Sancho Pansa), while the book is rich with events, he is most well known for his fight against the giants, err, windmills, impressively enacted in this video:

El Quijote - Molinos de Viento (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44Fze3GXwRs#)

Your turn, it seems.

Rattler


Title: Re: Who am I?
Post by: stoffel on 29 December 2010, 20:12:16
:)
Ok


Title: Re: Who am I?
Post by: stoffel on 29 December 2010, 20:29:23
I was born in 157 BC.
I quickley climbed up in the Roman army and became a general at young age.
I was responsible for a dared but much needed reorganisation in the Roman army.

In contrary to my military career, my political career was a disaster.
Due to the struggles for power  several generals, senators, many civilians, soldiers and politicians got killed. ( a young Ceasar almost got killed but was spared)
I layed the foundation for later civil wars.
Since than people distrusted me.
I died at the age of 71 in 86 BC.

Who am I?


Title: Re: Who am I?
Post by: Rattler on 31 December 2010, 17:45:43
I think I know who you are talking about, but I dont want to take over again right now without leaving room for the others.

Just as a clue, I think this pic is the gentleman in question (Stoffel dont hesitate to hit me hard if he isnt:

I died at the age of 86.

My man died younger than your claim, at 71 years of age, but in the year 86 BC allright, which has me doubting a bit of my solution though the other stuff fits, especially the connection with Julio Cesár):

(http://www.warandtactics.com/Images/whoamIquizz2.jpg)

Rattler


Title: Re: Who am I?
Post by: stoffel on 31 December 2010, 19:22:02
You are right with the age Matt, sorry my mistake.
And yes , its the correct man :)

Well done.


Title: Re: Who am I?
Post by: Rattler on 31 December 2010, 20:12:06
JFTR, havent officially solved it (and will stay out of it now that I got my confirmation), question still open.

Rattler

Updated and corrected the question;)


Title: Re: Who am I?
Post by: stoffel on 3 January 2011, 20:06:32
Come on guys, its not that tough.... :D


Title: Re: Who am I?
Post by: MontyB on 7 March 2012, 01:32:15
Well guess what thread I just found...

Ok how about Gaius Marius?


Title: Re: Who am I?
Post by: stoffel on 7 March 2012, 12:34:33
Lol, thats correct Monty.
And since we are on it again, you are the one to start the next person :)


Title: Re: Who am I?
Post by: MontyB on 7 March 2012, 20:24:53
Ok well I will go with an easy one...

- Born in Siberia in 1834
- Studied science at St. Petersburg
- Died in 1907

Who am I?


Title: Re: Who am I?
Post by: stoffel on 7 March 2012, 20:33:05
http://www.chemistry.co.nz/mendeleev.htm (http://www.chemistry.co.nz/mendeleev.htm)  hatsoff


Title: Re: Who am I?
Post by: MontyB on 7 March 2012, 21:04:53
yup that's him.


Title: Re: Who am I?
Post by: stoffel on 8 March 2012, 17:51:57
Nice, my turn.

Graduated school in 1973 in Minnesota US.
Degree on quantitative methods.
Worked as pc programmer.
Designed a famous pc game.

Rattler and I worked/played with him so easy for Rattler :)


Title: Re: Who am I?
Post by: Rattler on 8 March 2012, 22:01:03
Yes indeed
Rattler and I worked/played with him so easy for Rattler :)


Indeed, slightly unfair advantage, methinks.  :whistle:

Though I must admit I had either not known or completely forgotten about the details you posted (they did not help at all, actually... :) ), and with my bad memory for names it took me quite some head banging (and subsequent aspirins) to finally make my neurons snap into place and connect the bits and pieces:

It´s Larry Bond, co-author of Tom Clancys "Red Storm Rising" and creator of "Harpoon" and the mentioned cooperation took place during Rikki Tikkis "Global Thunder" MBX (http://www.tacopshq.com/MBX/Globalthunder/archive.html) 2001-2003

Rattler


Title: Re: Who am I?
Post by: stoffel on 8 March 2012, 22:04:08
Hehehehehe, took me some time to dig up that stuff and  without Google giving the details immediately.

:)


Title: Re: Who am I?
Post by: stoffel on 8 March 2012, 22:12:13
Ok ,

Another one with very limited info :)

Person was born on every hour of the day, all week in the and in year of the monkey.
Loves wargames, plays in warmovies.

hint: (all info can be found on WaT)


Title: Re: Who am I?
Post by: Rattler on 8 March 2012, 22:21:21
So, looks as if it was my turn then... Here goes:

I don´t consider myself a criminal, though I spent a total of 27 years in prisons of my motherland for small offenses and absurdities: As I was not born inside my motherland I had no residence permit there, and without residence permit I could not get a work permit. The big problem was that without a work you could not get a residence permit at these times, so I had no way to make a decent living being illegal alien and without a way out of it and had to live a bit as a hobo (which served me more than one prison sentence). Here one of the mug shots the police kept of myself before I became famous as a military commander:

(http://www.warandtactics.com/Images/mug-shot.JPG)

As I said, I became famous later in my life, at the age of 57. So famous that still today a statue shows me in my glorious moment, in the exact place where I came to fame:

(http://www.warandtactics.com/Images/rememberance-statue.jpg)

During my command I brilliantly organized 10 soldiers, 6 grenadiers and a sergeant into perfect team work, but my brilliance was not immidiately fully recognized: For the the way I executed my command I got sentenced to 4 years in prison, but got a short time after the sentence pardonned by the Commander In Chief of my motherland because my fellow citizens considered me a "peoples hero".

Who am I?

Rattler


Title: Re: Who am I?
Post by: stoffel on 9 March 2012, 08:33:10
Tough one for me, I guess its an Austrian/German officer in world war 1?
Need more details :(

I am pretty sure the statue is in Germany judging the building and the coblestones around it.


Title: Re: Who am I?
Post by: Rattler on 9 March 2012, 23:03:28
Tough one for me ... Need more details :(



More details (but might confuse you more  :) ):


--- Begin of more details as addendum to post # 24 above ---

As a matter of fact, I was born into a family of Mennonites of Dutch origin (but I am not Dutch). My birthplace today is not part of my motherland anymore, my father was a shoemaker and so I learned the same trade.

The military endeavour that made me famous threw a completely new light on my motherlands military tradition and was widely commented internationally.

After the pardon of my prison sentence for the events that had occured during the time of my command by my motherlands Commander-in-Chief I was greeted by a huge crowd when released from prison, so unruly that security forces had to forcefully subdue it. Immediately afterwards I got offered a lot of money for exclusive rights to my story by the press of many nations, and I started capitalizing on my adventure by making a phonograph record, which earned me a fairly huge amount of money (the equivalent of 40.000 Euros nowadays, roughly).

I gave speeches, together with the soldiers I commanded re-enacted my brilliant actions in clubs and theaters, and Barnum and Bailey took me on a tour through all European capitals. A wax figure of me can be seen Madame Tussaud in London.

Rich as I was I moved to a neighbouring nation of my motherland where I lived until my death, and there - rich as I had become - I was the first person ever to own a car.

My brief time of command appeared - in different variations - in many sketches, plays and movies,  the most popular films telling my story were made in 1906, 1931 and again 1956. The 1931 movie (contemporal cinema transparent below, probably a dead giveaway) was withdrawn by the Nazis in Germany for "Pro English Tendencies".

(http://www.warandtactics.com/Images/myfilm.jpg)

In the late 60s, the 90s and 2001 my story was described in TV series.

From todays POV I performed in in the colorful Mennonite tradition of Menno Simons himself, as the legends of "Menno in the coach" and "Menno on the molasses barrel" can confirm. Mennonites will want to ignore my criminal past and history, maybe a talented Mennonite play writer could produce a free-wheeling, hilarious version of the events through my commmand resonating with current politics.

A working title might be: “XXX Corrupts the Marines.”

--- End of more details ----

Rattler


Title: Re: Who am I?
Post by: Alan65 on 10 March 2012, 19:33:45
I have found Friedrich Wilhelm Voigt by googling "WWI hero tours Europe with Barnum and Bailey" [yes, even though he wasn't a WWI war hero. .  .]

http://www.mennonitewriting.org/journal/3/4/merry-pranks-friedrich-wilhelm-voigt-mennonite-tri/ (http://www.mennonitewriting.org/journal/3/4/merry-pranks-friedrich-wilhelm-voigt-mennonite-tri/)

interesting guy; how did you know him, why did you pick him?


Title: Re: Who am I?
Post by: MontyB on 10 March 2012, 21:08:09
Well ya beat me, I got nowhere looking for Prussian Mennonites.

:)


Title: Re: Who am I?
Post by: Rattler on 10 March 2012, 21:22:56
I knew that with the additional details google would spoil my fun in presenting this guy... though I had thought it would be solved through the rank insignia visible in the uniform of the cinema transparent, or by identifying the famous actor that represented him...

Of course, you are dead on (next round is yours), the question was about Wilhelm Voigt allright, the "Captain of Köpenick", who - using the absolute submission of the German people during the times of Emperor Wilhelm II to the military insignia and the authority they represented - fixed his problem with the mayor who denied him the residence permit (he sent him in hand cuffs to Berlin, accompanied by the Sergeant, to be interrogated by General v. Moltke) and robbed the town treasure as collateral damage (but did not get the desired passport as there simply were no passports in the Köpenick Town Hall):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Voigt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Voigt)

http://www.security-faqs.com/wilhelm-voigt-captain-of-kopenick.html (http://www.security-faqs.com/wilhelm-voigt-captain-of-kopenick.html)

How I knew him?

He is (and remains), as even the Mennonite article you found was mentioned, "a legendary figure in popular German lore and literature, including many films and dramas", I think every German soldier would have recognized him in the first post, dont know how often I watched the 1931 movie where he was characterized brilliantly by our famous actor Heinz Rühmann as a kid (and did like it every time more).

Why did I pick him?

Because - in todays hindsight - he represents a great part of my personal problems with the Green Machine and everything surrounding it (militarism and beaurocracy), and because I feel that todays soldiers are forgetting the lesson that my generation got taught not only through WWII (which has a lot to do with his story, the Nazis did not withdraw the movie without reason) but through the principles that in the late 19th century had made our army so great: We are on a mission, and might is not right (hence finally our Bundeswehr idea of an army of "citizens in uniform", this goes directly back to Voigts prank). We *serve*.

Nobody explained this better than the English G.K. Chestertonn in one of the first articles in 1906 that treated with Voigt and the Lesson Learned (which in the end were not learned in Germany, obviously).

Here the relevant excerpts of Chestertons essay from 1906 (what a prophet in his last paragraph!), highlighting by me:

Quote
A famous and epigrammatic author said that life copied literature; it seems clear that life really caricatures it. I suggested recently that the Germans submitted to, and even admired, a solemn and theatrical assertion of authority. A few hours after I had sent up my "copy," I saw the first announcement of the affair of the comic Captain at Koepenick.

The most absurd part of this absurd fraud (at least, to English eyes) is one which, oddly enough, has received comparatively little comment. I mean the point at which the Mayor asked for a warrant, and the Captain pointed to the bayonets of his soldiery and said. "These are my authority." One would have thought any one would have known that no soldier would talk like that.

The dupes were blamed for not knowing that the man wore the wrong cap or the wrong sash, or had his sword buckled on the wrong way; but these are technicalities which they might surely be excused for not knowing. I certainly should not know if a soldier's sash were on inside out or his cap on behind before. But I should know uncommonly well that genuine professional soldiers do not talk like Adelphi villains and utter theatrical epigrams in praise of abstract violence.

-snip-

Now, it is no exaggeration at all to say that any one who has ever known any soldiers (I can only answer for English and Irish and Scotch soldiers) would find it just as easy to believe that a real Bishop would grovel on the carpet in a religious ecstasy, or that a real doctor would dance about the drawing-room to show the invigorating effects of his own medicine, as to believe that a soldier, when asked for his authority, would point to a lot of shining weapons and declare symbolically that might was right. Of course, a real soldier would go rather red in the face and huskily repeat the proper formula, whatever it was, as that he came in the King's name.

Soldiers have many faults, but they have one redeeming merit; they are never worshippers of force. Soldiers more than any other men are taught severely and systematically that might is not right.

The fact is obvious. The might is in the hundred men who obey. The right (or what is held to be right) is in the one man who commands them.

They learn to obey symbols, arbitrary things, stripes on an arm, buttons on a coat, a title, a flag. These may be artificial things; they may be unreasonable things; they may, if you will, be wicked things; but they are weak things. They are not Force, and they do not look like Force. They are parts of an idea: of the idea of discipline; if you will, of the idea of tyranny; but still an idea.

No soldier could possibly say that his own bayonets were his authority. No soldier could possibly say that he came in the name of his own bayonets. It would be as absurd as if a postman said that he came inside his bag.

I do not, as I have said, underrate the evils that really do arise from militarism and the military ethic. It tends to give people wooden faces and sometimes wooden heads. It tends moreover (both through its specialisation and through its constant obedience) to a certain loss of real independence and strength of character. This has almost always been found when people made the mistake of turning the soldier into a statesman, under the mistaken impression that he was a strong man. The Duke of Wellington, for instance, was a strong soldier and therefore a weak statesman.

But the soldier is always, by the nature of things, loyal to something. And as long as one is loyal to something one can never be a worshipper of mere force. For mere force, violence in the abstract, is the enemy of anything we love. To love anything is to see it at once under lowering skies of danger. Loyalty implies loyalty in misfortune; and when a soldier has accepted any nation's uniform he has already accepted its defeat.

Nevertheless, it does appear to be possible in Germany for a man to point to fixed bayonets and say, "These are my authority," and yet to convince ordinarily sane men that he is a soldier. If this is so, it does really seem to point to some habit of high-faultin' in the German nation, such as that of which I spoke previously. It almost looks as if the advisers, and even the officials, of the German Army had become infected in some degree with the false and feeble doctrine that might is right.

As this doctrine is invariably preached by physical weaklings like Nietzsche it is a very serious thing even to entertain the supposition that it is affecting men who have really to do military work. It would be the end of German soldiers to be affected by German philosophy. Energetic people use energy as a means, but only very tired people ever use energy as a reason. Athletes go in for games, because athletes desire glory. Invalids go in for calisthenics; for invalids (alone of all human beings) desire strength.

So long as the German Army points to its heraldic eagle and says, "I come in the name of this fierce but fabulous animal," the German Army will be all right. If ever it says, "I come in the name of bayonets," the bayonets will break like glass, for only the weak exhibit strength without an aim.



Now that in Germany, in July of last year, we got rid of the obligatory military service, again I fear we have forgotten a lesson that theoretically should have been learned more than 100 years ago.

Rattler


Title: Re: Who am I?
Post by: Alan65 on 11 March 2012, 01:48:56
OK, here are some clues for my person

Early 19th century governor and aide to a President but not famous for these things.  Died tragically early and has a military base named after him.


Title: Re: Who am I?
Post by: stoffel on 11 March 2012, 09:26:11
Great Matt,

I allready saw( knowing you) a remarkably close comparisation with your live :)
Great story though, interesting guy.


Title: Re: Who am I?
Post by: Rattler on 11 March 2012, 22:22:24
OK, here are some clues for my person

Early 19th century governor and aide to a President but not famous for these things.  Died tragically early and has a military base named after him.


James Pinckney Henderson? (Colonel, Governor of Texas 1845, Attorney General in the Republic, Marine Corps Henderson Hall Base, died age 50)

Rattler


Title: Re: Who am I?
Post by: Alan65 on 11 March 2012, 23:41:18
Good guess, Rattler, but not the one I had in mind.

He died at age 35 and whether it was murder or suicide depends on whom you ask. 
He was most famous for where he went.  The base named after him (107 years after his death) is next to a dormant volcano.


Title: Re: Who am I?
Post by: stoffel on 12 March 2012, 10:09:30
Meriwether Lewis 1774 to 1905?


Title: Re: Who am I?
Post by: Rattler on 12 March 2012, 14:10:20
Sounds right, Mt. Rainier being the volcano.

Rattler


Title: Re: Who am I?
Post by: stoffel on 12 March 2012, 15:35:18
It was the only governor I found after searching for governor, suicide and age. :)


Title: Re: Who am I?
Post by: Alan65 on 13 March 2012, 00:37:02
yes, that's it!  (didn't know you could search governor+age+suicide. . . ) [Stoffel-should be 1809 for year of death]
Governor of Louisiana Territory (which he had explored and then some.)  Fort Lewis, Washington State USA, named after him in 1916.

Lewis' family claims it was murder and the innkeeper where he died was charged but no motive could be found.  Lewis had some mental instability later in his life.  As a young man, Lewis saw action in the Whiskey Rebellion in the early 1790s.
I often drive by Fort Lewis (now called JBLM--Joint Base Lewis-McChord; the army and air force bases were recently combined) but had forgotten how it got its name.  Lewis & Clark names are everywhere along their rout from Missouri, the Dakotas, Montana, Idaho, Oregon and Washington.
The wikipedia article on Fort Lewis has a great picture of a C-17 loading Army vehicles with Mt. Rainier in the background.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Lewis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Lewis)



Title: Re: Who am I?
Post by: stoffel on 13 March 2012, 19:46:33
Nice, do you guys have the answer to my question?


Title: Re: Who am I?
Post by: MontyB on 13 March 2012, 20:43:41
Did you ask a question?


Title: Re: Who am I?
Post by: Rattler on 13 March 2012, 20:55:46
Yes, he did:

Quote
Ok ,

Another one with very limited info

Person was born on every hour of the day, all week in the and in year of the monkey.
Loves wargames, plays in warmovies.

hint: (all info can be found on WaT)


As this obviously holds a mistake, I assume it should be the following, can you confirm, Stoffel?

Quote
Another one with very limited info

Person was born on every hour of the day, all weeks in the month and in year of the monkey.

Loves wargames, plays in warmovies.

hint: (all info can be found on WaT)


Even if this is the correct question I must say I have no clue whatsoever.

Year of the monkey in question could be any of those:

2 February 1908 – 21 January 1909
20 February 1920 – 7 February 1921
6 February 1932 – 25 January 1933
25 January 1944 – 12 February 1945
12 February 1956 – 30 January 1957
30 January 1968 – 16 February 1969
16 February 1980 – 4 February 1981

Rattler


Title: Re: Who am I?
Post by: stoffel on 13 March 2012, 21:21:36
Nope, 24 hours a day, every day of the week.
And indeed one of those years you mentioned.
But isnt that hard if you check the birthday calendar ;)


Title: Re: Who am I?
Post by: stoffel on 15 March 2012, 15:16:24
On the day our person was born 10 women were killed by an airraid in Vietnam, this road (Dong Loc Road in Ha Tinh provence) was bombarded daily by the USAF.
The women were part of a female volunteer unit responsible for repairs.


Title: Re: Who am I?
Post by: Alan65 on 15 March 2012, 16:57:12
Are you the person you're thinking of?


Title: Re: Who am I?
Post by: stoffel on 15 March 2012, 19:11:27
Well,it wasnt that hard anymore, yes :)


Title: Re: Who am I?
Post by: Alan65 on 16 March 2012, 17:22:57
OK, who am I thinking of?

My guy is an artist.  he illustrated WWI articles.  I have about 70 different 'beautiful women' and artistic postcards of his in my collection.

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2787/4115970610_64f4eef44d.jpg)
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2781/4115205685_2c75a1aa41.jpg)

[don't look at code in these links unless you want the answer]


Title: Re: Who am I?
Post by: Alan65 on 17 March 2012, 17:57:50
he was a Russian (you can see his signature in both images) but moved to Paris c1910 and did work for French periodicals, illustrating propaganda images World War I.


Title: Re: Who am I?
Post by: MontyB on 24 March 2012, 06:36:34
You have no idea how much this is annoying me as I know the name of the artist but I can not for the life of me remember it.


Title: Re: Who am I?
Post by: Alan65 on 26 March 2012, 23:00:17
Glad to oblige!

His initials in Russian would be "C.C."  (you can see a giant 'C' in the top image near the bottom of the woman's scarf)