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« Reply #20 on: 8 March 2012, 18:51:57 »
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Nice, my turn.

Graduated school in 1973 in Minnesota US.
Degree on quantitative methods.
Worked as pc programmer.
Designed a famous pc game.

Rattler and I worked/played with him so easy for Rattler Smiley
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« Reply #21 on: 8 March 2012, 23:01:03 »
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Yes indeed
Rattler and I worked/played with him so easy for Rattler Smiley


Indeed, slightly unfair advantage, methinks.  whistle

Though I must admit I had either not known or completely forgotten about the details you posted (they did not help at all, actually... Smiley ), and with my bad memory for names it took me quite some head banging (and subsequent aspirins) to finally make my neurons snap into place and connect the bits and pieces:

It´s Larry Bond, co-author of Tom Clancys "Red Storm Rising" and creator of "Harpoon" and the mentioned cooperation took place during Rikki Tikkis "Global Thunder" MBX 2001-2003

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« Reply #22 on: 8 March 2012, 23:04:08 »
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Hehehehehe, took me some time to dig up that stuff and  without Google giving the details immediately.

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« Reply #23 on: 8 March 2012, 23:12:13 »
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Ok ,

Another one with very limited info Smiley

Person was born on every hour of the day, all week in the and in year of the monkey.
Loves wargames, plays in warmovies.

hint: (all info can be found on WaT)
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« Reply #24 on: 8 March 2012, 23:21:21 »
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So, looks as if it was my turn then... Here goes:

I don´t consider myself a criminal, though I spent a total of 27 years in prisons of my motherland for small offenses and absurdities: As I was not born inside my motherland I had no residence permit there, and without residence permit I could not get a work permit. The big problem was that without a work you could not get a residence permit at these times, so I had no way to make a decent living being illegal alien and without a way out of it and had to live a bit as a hobo (which served me more than one prison sentence). Here one of the mug shots the police kept of myself before I became famous as a military commander:



As I said, I became famous later in my life, at the age of 57. So famous that still today a statue shows me in my glorious moment, in the exact place where I came to fame:



During my command I brilliantly organized 10 soldiers, 6 grenadiers and a sergeant into perfect team work, but my brilliance was not immidiately fully recognized: For the the way I executed my command I got sentenced to 4 years in prison, but got a short time after the sentence pardonned by the Commander In Chief of my motherland because my fellow citizens considered me a "peoples hero".

Who am I?

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« Reply #25 on: 9 March 2012, 09:33:10 »
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Tough one for me, I guess its an Austrian/German officer in world war 1?
Need more details Bedroefd

I am pretty sure the statue is in Germany judging the building and the coblestones around it.
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« Reply #26 on: 10 March 2012, 00:03:28 »
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Tough one for me ... Need more details Bedroefd



More details (but might confuse you more  Smiley ):


--- Begin of more details as addendum to post # 24 above ---

As a matter of fact, I was born into a family of Mennonites of Dutch origin (but I am not Dutch). My birthplace today is not part of my motherland anymore, my father was a shoemaker and so I learned the same trade.

The military endeavour that made me famous threw a completely new light on my motherlands military tradition and was widely commented internationally.

After the pardon of my prison sentence for the events that had occured during the time of my command by my motherlands Commander-in-Chief I was greeted by a huge crowd when released from prison, so unruly that security forces had to forcefully subdue it. Immediately afterwards I got offered a lot of money for exclusive rights to my story by the press of many nations, and I started capitalizing on my adventure by making a phonograph record, which earned me a fairly huge amount of money (the equivalent of 40.000 Euros nowadays, roughly).

I gave speeches, together with the soldiers I commanded re-enacted my brilliant actions in clubs and theaters, and Barnum and Bailey took me on a tour through all European capitals. A wax figure of me can be seen Madame Tussaud in London.

Rich as I was I moved to a neighbouring nation of my motherland where I lived until my death, and there - rich as I had become - I was the first person ever to own a car.

My brief time of command appeared - in different variations - in many sketches, plays and movies,  the most popular films telling my story were made in 1906, 1931 and again 1956. The 1931 movie (contemporal cinema transparent below, probably a dead giveaway) was withdrawn by the Nazis in Germany for "Pro English Tendencies".



In the late 60s, the 90s and 2001 my story was described in TV series.

From todays POV I performed in in the colorful Mennonite tradition of Menno Simons himself, as the legends of "Menno in the coach" and "Menno on the molasses barrel" can confirm. Mennonites will want to ignore my criminal past and history, maybe a talented Mennonite play writer could produce a free-wheeling, hilarious version of the events through my commmand resonating with current politics.

A working title might be: “XXX Corrupts the Marines.”

--- End of more details ----

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« Reply #27 on: 10 March 2012, 20:33:45 »
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I have found Friedrich Wilhelm Voigt by googling "WWI hero tours Europe with Barnum and Bailey" [yes, even though he wasn't a WWI war hero. .  .]

http://www.mennonitewriting.org/journal/3/4/merry-pranks-friedrich-wilhelm-voigt-mennonite-tri/

interesting guy; how did you know him, why did you pick him?
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« Reply #28 on: 10 March 2012, 22:08:09 »
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Well ya beat me, I got nowhere looking for Prussian Mennonites.

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« Reply #29 on: 10 March 2012, 22:22:56 »
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I knew that with the additional details google would spoil my fun in presenting this guy... though I had thought it would be solved through the rank insignia visible in the uniform of the cinema transparent, or by identifying the famous actor that represented him...

Of course, you are dead on (next round is yours), the question was about Wilhelm Voigt allright, the "Captain of Köpenick", who - using the absolute submission of the German people during the times of Emperor Wilhelm II to the military insignia and the authority they represented - fixed his problem with the mayor who denied him the residence permit (he sent him in hand cuffs to Berlin, accompanied by the Sergeant, to be interrogated by General v. Moltke) and robbed the town treasure as collateral damage (but did not get the desired passport as there simply were no passports in the Köpenick Town Hall):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Voigt

http://www.security-faqs.com/wilhelm-voigt-captain-of-kopenick.html

How I knew him?

He is (and remains), as even the Mennonite article you found was mentioned, "a legendary figure in popular German lore and literature, including many films and dramas", I think every German soldier would have recognized him in the first post, dont know how often I watched the 1931 movie where he was characterized brilliantly by our famous actor Heinz Rühmann as a kid (and did like it every time more).

Why did I pick him?

Because - in todays hindsight - he represents a great part of my personal problems with the Green Machine and everything surrounding it (militarism and beaurocracy), and because I feel that todays soldiers are forgetting the lesson that my generation got taught not only through WWII (which has a lot to do with his story, the Nazis did not withdraw the movie without reason) but through the principles that in the late 19th century had made our army so great: We are on a mission, and might is not right (hence finally our Bundeswehr idea of an army of "citizens in uniform", this goes directly back to Voigts prank). We *serve*.

Nobody explained this better than the English G.K. Chestertonn in one of the first articles in 1906 that treated with Voigt and the Lesson Learned (which in the end were not learned in Germany, obviously).

Here the relevant excerpts of Chestertons essay from 1906 (what a prophet in his last paragraph!), highlighting by me:

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A famous and epigrammatic author said that life copied literature; it seems clear that life really caricatures it. I suggested recently that the Germans submitted to, and even admired, a solemn and theatrical assertion of authority. A few hours after I had sent up my "copy," I saw the first announcement of the affair of the comic Captain at Koepenick.

The most absurd part of this absurd fraud (at least, to English eyes) is one which, oddly enough, has received comparatively little comment. I mean the point at which the Mayor asked for a warrant, and the Captain pointed to the bayonets of his soldiery and said. "These are my authority." One would have thought any one would have known that no soldier would talk like that.

The dupes were blamed for not knowing that the man wore the wrong cap or the wrong sash, or had his sword buckled on the wrong way; but these are technicalities which they might surely be excused for not knowing. I certainly should not know if a soldier's sash were on inside out or his cap on behind before. But I should know uncommonly well that genuine professional soldiers do not talk like Adelphi villains and utter theatrical epigrams in praise of abstract violence.

-snip-

Now, it is no exaggeration at all to say that any one who has ever known any soldiers (I can only answer for English and Irish and Scotch soldiers) would find it just as easy to believe that a real Bishop would grovel on the carpet in a religious ecstasy, or that a real doctor would dance about the drawing-room to show the invigorating effects of his own medicine, as to believe that a soldier, when asked for his authority, would point to a lot of shining weapons and declare symbolically that might was right. Of course, a real soldier would go rather red in the face and huskily repeat the proper formula, whatever it was, as that he came in the King's name.

Soldiers have many faults, but they have one redeeming merit; they are never worshippers of force. Soldiers more than any other men are taught severely and systematically that might is not right.

The fact is obvious. The might is in the hundred men who obey. The right (or what is held to be right) is in the one man who commands them.

They learn to obey symbols, arbitrary things, stripes on an arm, buttons on a coat, a title, a flag. These may be artificial things; they may be unreasonable things; they may, if you will, be wicked things; but they are weak things. They are not Force, and they do not look like Force. They are parts of an idea: of the idea of discipline; if you will, of the idea of tyranny; but still an idea.

No soldier could possibly say that his own bayonets were his authority. No soldier could possibly say that he came in the name of his own bayonets. It would be as absurd as if a postman said that he came inside his bag.

I do not, as I have said, underrate the evils that really do arise from militarism and the military ethic. It tends to give people wooden faces and sometimes wooden heads. It tends moreover (both through its specialisation and through its constant obedience) to a certain loss of real independence and strength of character. This has almost always been found when people made the mistake of turning the soldier into a statesman, under the mistaken impression that he was a strong man. The Duke of Wellington, for instance, was a strong soldier and therefore a weak statesman.

But the soldier is always, by the nature of things, loyal to something. And as long as one is loyal to something one can never be a worshipper of mere force. For mere force, violence in the abstract, is the enemy of anything we love. To love anything is to see it at once under lowering skies of danger. Loyalty implies loyalty in misfortune; and when a soldier has accepted any nation's uniform he has already accepted its defeat.

Nevertheless, it does appear to be possible in Germany for a man to point to fixed bayonets and say, "These are my authority," and yet to convince ordinarily sane men that he is a soldier. If this is so, it does really seem to point to some habit of high-faultin' in the German nation, such as that of which I spoke previously. It almost looks as if the advisers, and even the officials, of the German Army had become infected in some degree with the false and feeble doctrine that might is right.

As this doctrine is invariably preached by physical weaklings like Nietzsche it is a very serious thing even to entertain the supposition that it is affecting men who have really to do military work. It would be the end of German soldiers to be affected by German philosophy. Energetic people use energy as a means, but only very tired people ever use energy as a reason. Athletes go in for games, because athletes desire glory. Invalids go in for calisthenics; for invalids (alone of all human beings) desire strength.

So long as the German Army points to its heraldic eagle and says, "I come in the name of this fierce but fabulous animal," the German Army will be all right. If ever it says, "I come in the name of bayonets," the bayonets will break like glass, for only the weak exhibit strength without an aim.



Now that in Germany, in July of last year, we got rid of the obligatory military service, again I fear we have forgotten a lesson that theoretically should have been learned more than 100 years ago.

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« Reply #30 on: 11 March 2012, 02:48:56 »
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OK, here are some clues for my person

Early 19th century governor and aide to a President but not famous for these things.  Died tragically early and has a military base named after him.
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« Reply #31 on: 11 March 2012, 10:26:11 »
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Great Matt,

I allready saw( knowing you) a remarkably close comparisation with your live Smiley
Great story though, interesting guy.
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« Reply #32 on: 11 March 2012, 23:22:24 »
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OK, here are some clues for my person

Early 19th century governor and aide to a President but not famous for these things.  Died tragically early and has a military base named after him.


James Pinckney Henderson? (Colonel, Governor of Texas 1845, Attorney General in the Republic, Marine Corps Henderson Hall Base, died age 50)

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« Reply #33 on: 12 March 2012, 00:41:18 »
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Good guess, Rattler, but not the one I had in mind.

He died at age 35 and whether it was murder or suicide depends on whom you ask. 
He was most famous for where he went.  The base named after him (107 years after his death) is next to a dormant volcano.
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« Reply #34 on: 12 March 2012, 11:09:30 »
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Meriwether Lewis 1774 to 1905?
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« Reply #35 on: 12 March 2012, 15:10:20 »
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Sounds right, Mt. Rainier being the volcano.

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« Reply #36 on: 12 March 2012, 16:35:18 »
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It was the only governor I found after searching for governor, suicide and age. Smiley
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« Reply #37 on: 13 March 2012, 01:37:02 »
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yes, that's it!  (didn't know you could search governor+age+suicide. . . ) [Stoffel-should be 1809 for year of death]
Governor of Louisiana Territory (which he had explored and then some.)  Fort Lewis, Washington State USA, named after him in 1916.

Lewis' family claims it was murder and the innkeeper where he died was charged but no motive could be found.  Lewis had some mental instability later in his life.  As a young man, Lewis saw action in the Whiskey Rebellion in the early 1790s.
I often drive by Fort Lewis (now called JBLM--Joint Base Lewis-McChord; the army and air force bases were recently combined) but had forgotten how it got its name.  Lewis & Clark names are everywhere along their rout from Missouri, the Dakotas, Montana, Idaho, Oregon and Washington.
The wikipedia article on Fort Lewis has a great picture of a C-17 loading Army vehicles with Mt. Rainier in the background.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Lewis

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« Reply #38 on: 13 March 2012, 20:46:33 »
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Nice, do you guys have the answer to my question?
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Did you ask a question?
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