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Author Topic: Buying a new PC!  (Read 13526 times)
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« on: 13 February 2009, 15:59:23 »
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Can someone tell me what NOT to buy when I want to keep on playing CM on a new PC?

NOT Vista?

and what about the smoke graphics?
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« Reply #1 on: 13 February 2009, 17:16:53 »
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Don't combine Vista and a DX-10 capable graphics card.  You can be assured that all new cards are DX-10.  Search the BFC forums will give you a lot of info about this.

1.) I would say the most practical solution is to stay with xp if you can.
It will be difficult to buy an xp equipped new pc unless you build it yourself.
 

2.) You can have 2 OS on the same pc by making a partition and installing xp on one and vista on the other.  That is more complicated.

3.) You can try running a virtual machine on your vista equipped pc.  Google it.

MS windows 7 is in beta testing right now.  It will replace Vista.  By all accounts it is running faster and better than Vista on the same machine.  I would try to skip Vista if I could.  CM will probably not work with the new os either  Bedroefd
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« Reply #2 on: 13 February 2009, 17:32:51 »
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maybe I should try to make my PC faster and keep the HD with XP

what are the things to replace to have the best result in performance/speed?
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« Reply #3 on: 13 February 2009, 17:45:19 »
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What are you trying to run and what problems are you having?

What are the specs of your current machine?

A pc that is adequate for CM will not run the newest FPS games well at all.
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« Reply #4 on: 13 February 2009, 17:55:02 »
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lately when I'm doing several things at the same it starts to slow down...

downloading from PirateBay/several FF pages/outlook/administrating WaT/ it already starts to slow down...

mostly I need photoshop also and then it slows down even further...

gaming online, when everything else is closed, is ok

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Windows XP Home edition 2002 Service Pack 3
Packard Bell Intel[R]
Pentium[R] D CPU 2.80 GHz
clock speed: 2.79GHz , 768MB
ATI radeon XPRESS 200 Series

trying to find some more info
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« Reply #5 on: 13 February 2009, 19:31:01 »
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I bought a new rig half a year ago, with a nVidia GTX260 graphics card and Vista 64. I added Windows XP to create a dual boot system, with the intention to stick to Vista and only use XP for legacy purposes. However while I could play all CM versions alright under Vista, the game files didn't end up where you expect them since Vista doesn't like CM's behavior to write them into a sub-directory of your "Program Files" directory and silently creates a shadow directory per user. Which in turn made PBEMH unusable, a tool that I have learned to love.

In the end, I am now using XP for almost everything and only go for Vista to play DirectX 10 games.

Regarding fog, the nVidia card shows it; a while ago ATI cards didn't, but I'm not sure whether some new drivers solved that issue.
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« Reply #6 on: 13 February 2009, 19:42:28 »
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thx for the info:

mine now has ATI and I never had any problems.

should I upgrade graphicscard and/or processor and/or the amount of memory?

if so...what card(s) or processor(s)?
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« Reply #7 on: 13 February 2009, 20:48:46 »
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You're attempting a lot of multitasking.  That will slow down a single core cpu.

First off try pc house keeping chores like defragging the hard drive, cleaning out unneeded files etc. (see Start/help and support on your pc)

Then you must go to your Mother board maker's site to see what cpu you could upgrade to while retaining the mb.

The most cost effective upgrade could be more memory.  You did not mention the amount you have but certainly 1.5 to 2.0 gb would not be excessive.
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« Reply #8 on: 13 February 2009, 21:43:43 »
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First off try pc house keeping chores like defragging the hard drive, cleaning out unneeded files etc. (see Start/help and support on your pc)


done on a regular base, the same for all other mischief hanging around...

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Then you must go to your Mother board maker's site to see what cpu you could upgrade to while retaining the mb.


where can I find the maker?
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« Reply #9 on: 14 February 2009, 02:21:15 »
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There are several utilities available for free which will give system specs.  Sisoft Sandra is one.  Try googling it.

It can tell you a lot about what's on your pc.  You can find the make and model of your MB and then check with the manufacturer to see what kind of cpu you can upgrade it with.

But memory is relatively cheap and may be a good performance booster.
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« Reply #10 on: 9 July 2009, 12:36:51 »
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well, bought a new mouse and had a chat with the guy from the shop, he talks about 750-800€ for a decent PC and 1000€ for a gaming PC.

I have the choice between XP & Vista.

the rest ofcourse can also be chosen freely.

Man, this will be tough...what to choose from...

it certainly needs to be able to play CM with fog, smoke and stuff...

You're attempting a lot of multitasking.  That will slow down a single core cpu.

First off try pc house keeping chores like defragging the hard drive, cleaning out unneeded files etc. (see Start/help and support on your pc)

Then you must go to your Mother board maker's site to see what cpu you could upgrade to while retaining the mb.

The most cost effective upgrade could be more memory.  You did not mention the amount you have but certainly 1.5 to 2.0 gb would not be excessive.


so I NEED a dual core CPU?
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« Reply #11 on: 9 July 2009, 13:38:47 »
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so I NEED a dual core CPU?


I suspect you don't NEED one, however, with the speed at which computers become obsolete, and your heavy multi-tasking, the question becomes, why not?
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« Reply #12 on: 9 July 2009, 14:11:05 »
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so I NEED a dual core CPU?


I suspect you don't NEED one, however, with the speed at which computers become obsolete, and your heavy multi-tasking, the question becomes, why not?


euh...ok...in fact I was asking for the pros and cons like price etc
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« Reply #13 on: 9 July 2009, 15:00:45 »
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BTW....the new mouse is great...bought a cable-one...from Microsoft...

the last one was wireless with a transmittor for mouse & keyboard...buying a new wireless one would give me 2 transmittors and I found that a bit stupid....PC, 2 external harddrives, keyboard, loudspeakers and 2 transmittors on my desk???  hihi

the guys at the shop are giving some examples of PC's at their homepage


DMDNET It-Starter

    Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 3GHz
    Asus P5ql-e
    2Gb DDR II 800
    Seagate 160 GB SATA
    Geforce 8400GS 256 MB
    ANTEC case
    Sony floppy 1.44 MB
    Samsung DVD-rw
    Microsoft Windows Vista Home Basic
    Microsoft Keyboard + Mouse
    Philips speakers
    cardreader 15 in 1
    Bitdefender antivirus

DMDnet Home-starter
    Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 3GHz
    Asus P5ql-e
    4Gb DDR II 800
    Seagate 250 GB SATA
    Geforce 9500GT 512 MB
    ANTEC case
    Sony floppy 1.44 MB
    Samsung DVD-rw
    Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium
    Microsoft Keyboard + Mouse
    Philips 2.1 speakers
    cardreader 15 in 1
    Bitdefender antivirus


DMDnet Home-advanced

    Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 3.16GHz
    Asus P5Q PRO
    4Gb DDR II 800
    Seagate 500 GB SATA
    Geforce 9500GT 512 MB
    ANTEC case
    Sony floppy 1.44 MB
    Samsung DVD-rw
    Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium
    Microsoft Keyboard + Mouse
    Philips 2.1 speakers
    cardreader 15 in 1
    Bitdefender antivirus

DMDnet Ultimate

    Intel Core Q9550 2.83 GHz (Quad it seems)
    Asus PKQ pro
    4Gb DDR II 800
    Seagate 750 GB SATA
    Geforce 9600GT 1024 MB
    ANTEC case
    Sony floppy 1.44 MB
    Samsung DVD-rw
    Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium
    Microsoft Keyboard + Mouse
    Philips 2.1speakers
    cardreader 15 in 1
    wireless LAN ontvanger
    Bitdefender antivirus


your comments please
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« Reply #14 on: 9 July 2009, 18:49:03 »
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well, some people just don't know how to sell things, man, this guy gave me a sheet of paper with 4 examples of PC's and that was it....meanwhile he was following the Tour de France instead of explaining things or asking me questions....

bye bye sir...I went to a local guy who builds PC's at home...seems he's been building PC's in several local shops during the last 7-8 years...

there I got the full treatment...what do I want?...what do I need?

comparing components etc and we came to this result...

components:

Case: Tybotech Extreme Gaming Black


CPU: Intel C2D E8500 3.16GHz (review: http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/intel_e8500/)


Motherboard: Foxconn P45A DDR2-1066 (review: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813186148)


Memory: Patriot Viper DC DDRII 2x2Gb


DVD/CD: Lite-On 24x SATA (products: http://www.liteonit.eu/nl/optical-storage-dvd-rw-internal/)

Hard-drives: Seagate SATAII 1x 80Gb for OS/XP / 1x 500Gb for data storage (already got 2 external HD's)

Graphical card: Point of View GeForce Nvidia 9600GT DDRIII 1024Mb(+HDMI)
product: http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_geforce_9600gt_us.html


together with XP should cost me 779€
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« Reply #15 on: 9 July 2009, 19:07:47 »
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Yours is faster than mine now Bedroefd

But good deal!
Welcome to a new age, you will be amazed how fast things will go  from now on Smiley
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« Reply #16 on: 9 July 2009, 19:19:55 »
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Yours is faster than mine now Bedroefd

But good deal!
Welcome to a new age, you will be amazed how fast things will go  from now on Smiley


didn't agree yet but he's only 1 street away...yeah...it will be a total new experience

I will stick to XP, Windows 7 will be for later when it's released + 1 year  hihi

I have doubts about putting a Blu-Ray/DVD/CD player in it...it will cost me more BUT since the PC has a HDMI output and the TV a HDMI input I should be able to watch Blu-Ray on TV etc....should be around 70€ extra  whistle
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« Reply #17 on: 9 July 2009, 21:55:20 »
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Have you already bought?  You should really go with DDR3 memory and a board that can accept it.  It doesn't cost much more than the ddr2.
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« Reply #18 on: 9 July 2009, 21:59:49 »
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Have you already bought?  You should really go with DDR3 memory and a board that can accept it.  It doesn't cost much more than the ddr2.


no, not yet

what's the big advantage of DDRIII?

he told me we had to upgrade several components if we would go for III
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« Reply #19 on: 10 July 2009, 02:00:15 »
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Well it's true that if your motherboard and cpu don't support ddr3 it would do no good to get it.  I was just thinking that if they did, it doesn't cost much more to get ddr3 and it is considerably faster.

I see that the mb is ddr2 only so it would make no sense to get the higher memory.
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