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« Reply #20 on: 14 February 2011, 18:39:32 »
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Egypt's army clears Tahrir Square, demands halt to labor strikes

democracy is still far away..............

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/13/AR2011021302856.html?hpid=topnews
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« Reply #21 on: 20 February 2011, 12:02:42 »
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and the story continues...

Bahrain's army deliberately kills peaceful protesters with live rounds ( automatic weapon )


DRAMATIC VIDEO Bahraini security forces attacking peaceful anti-puppet-govt demonstrators FEB. 14


Libya closed it's borders for reporters and media, internet's been shut down and reports that do get out report of 150-200 dead lying in the streets of Benghazi

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12517327

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Dozens of people were killed when Libyan troops used heavy weapons during a funeral procession amid unrest in Benghazi, a doctor in the city says.

She told the BBC that at least 45 bodies and 900 wounded had been brought to just one hospital on Saturday, describing the scene as a "massacre".

Human Rights Watch says at least 173 people have been killed in Libya since demonstrations began on Wednesday.

Benghazi has been a leading focus of protests against Col Gaddafi's rule.

Libya is one of several countries in the region to have seen pro-democracy campaigns since the fall of long-time Tunisian President Zine El Abidine Ben Ali in January. Egypt's Hosni Mubarak was forced from power on 11 February.

BBC Middle East correspondent Jon Leyne says the current unrest in Libya is the most serious challenge to Col Muammar Gaddafi in his four decades in power.

Reports are difficult to verify as the Libyan authorities have imposed severe media restrictions.

The Benghazi doctor told the BBC that at least 45 bodies and 900 injured people had been brought to Jala hospital - most of them with gunshot wounds.

"Ninety percent of these gunshot wounds [were] mainly in the head, the neck, the chest, mainly in the heart," she said.

She added that she has been in contact with other Benghazi hospitals, which she says were overwhelmed by casualties and have not been able to count the dead.
'Stop the massacre'

The violence escalated on Saturday, when a funeral procession for victims of previous clashes made its way past a major security compound.
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Witnesses said troops used machine-guns, mortars, large-calibre weapons, and even a missile, against the mourners.

Opposition supporters said the attack was unprovoked, although security sources suggested some protesters threw firebombs at the compound.

Some described scenes of chaos as army snipers shot from the roofs of buildings and demonstrators fought back against troops on the ground.

The doctor told the BBC that some Benghazi residents had been shot outside their homes by neighbourhood militias and bodies had been dumped on the street.

In an appeal sent to Reuters, a group of religious and clan leaders from across Libya urged "every Muslim, within the regime" or anyone helping it: "Do NOT kill your brothers and sisters, STOP the massacre NOW!"

Most of Benghazi - Libya's second city - is said to be controlled by anti-government protesters.

There are reports that the government is bringing in elite forces to the city - as well as foreign mercenaries from sub-Saharan Africa.

There have also been reports of anti-government protests in other eastern cities, including al-Bayda and Dernah, as well as Misrata further west, about 200km (125 miles) from the capital Tripoli.

There is no sign of major unrest in Tripoli, Col Gaddafi's main power base.

The New-York-based group Human Rights Watch says at least 173 people had been killed across Libya in recent days, and stressed that it estimates were conservative.

Austria announced on Sunday that it was sending a military plane to Malta to prepare for the evacuation of Austrian and other EU nationals from Libya or other Arab countries.

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« Reply #22 on: 20 February 2011, 21:29:32 »
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Lybia (my guess) will fall.

The big difference to Egypt and Tuunis will be that it is a basically religiously founded movment which seems to gain momentum. Thiink Iran.

wit this in mind, you can starting to paint a whole new allies/enemies layout.

JFTR, I am all for ppls choice, here I definitely go with Mr. Obama (first time in a long time that I side with a US prez)

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« Reply #23 on: 20 February 2011, 21:40:18 »
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Its not going  well in Lybia.
But their are no reporters and all official media are blocked/cut off.
There is thus, no proof of those numbers....
I can imagine they used firearms with rubber rounds, but even rubber bullits can be deadly specially if you are untrained to use them.
Mortars seem a bit ridiculous to me, if you look at the wounds the doctor describes, with hits only in the upper body of (alledged) victims.
A mortar round in a crowd of people will cause tremendous wounds of shrappnel all over your body.
Same does a heavy calibre mg if used, shrappnel and ricochets would have hurt people everywhere.
Besides people will lose bodyparts or worse when hit by 12,7 or 14,5 mm machineguns.

So I think its better to wait for official eyewittness reports before judging.

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« Reply #24 on: 21 February 2011, 11:18:43 »
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what I read about Iran is that now have an average of 3 hangings/day, mostly political opponents and peaceful demonstrators.

demonstrators get accused of 'hatred against Allah'
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« Reply #25 on: 21 February 2011, 19:12:38 »
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latest news and I'm looking for sources:

1/ Lybian minister of Justice stepped down from office
2/ fighter pilots who were ordered to bomb Benghazi deserted to Malta with their jets
3/ Lybian army shoots with live ammo from planes and helicopters at demonstrators

233 dead so far

pictures: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12520937

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12523669

from Bahrein: Bahrain Grand Prix off after anti-government protests
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/9402871.stm
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« Reply #26 on: 21 February 2011, 20:13:58 »
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Koen, the "sources" link is not accesible.

OTOH, we have news here in Spain that

- jets indeed attacked protesters with bombs in Benghazi, killing around 400

- Imams of the mosques refuse to obey Ghadaffi

- various ambassadors (UN, China, Arab League) have resigned:

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A Libyan diplomat in China, Hussein el-Sadek el-Mesrati, told Al-Jazeera, "I resigned from representing the government of Mussolini and Hitler."


- young protesters have armed themself up after storming an Army building in Benghazi and looting arms

One source, in English: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/military-aircraft-attack-libya-crowds-2221170.html

Personally I believe if the bombings should really be true that Ghadaffi and his sons will not survive, definitely not politically, bombing your own people cannot be repaired.

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« Reply #27 on: 21 February 2011, 20:21:30 »
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strange, links all work fine here

seems that Lybia will be the toughest fight until now  Onbeslist
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« Reply #28 on: 21 February 2011, 20:23:31 »
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Yup, here to in the news.
If they really are using planes and helicopters than its the beginning of the end for Khadaffi.
Its time some independent reporters manage to get into the country.
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« Reply #29 on: 21 February 2011, 20:25:01 »
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http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/babylonbeyond/2011/02/malta-two-libyan-fighter-jets-seen-landing.html
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MALTA: Two Libyan fighter jets seen landing

Two Libyan fighter jets landed unexpectedly in Malta on Monday, witnesses told Reuters.

Local newspaper reporters saw the single-seater Mirage jets land at Malta's international airport on Monday afternoon, Reuters reported. The Maltese Foreign Ministry said it was trying to establish why the planes had landed.

The Al Jazeera satellite network reported the Libyan fighter jets were seen landing in Malta with two civilian helicopters. At least seven passengers were aboard, only one reported to be carrying a passport, according to Al Jazeera. All of the  passengers were being held by immigration officials, the network reported. Al Jazeera's Karl Stagno-Novarra, reporting from Malta, said officials on the Mediterranean island were preparing for it to be used as a base for evacuating European citizens from Libya, an hour's flight away.

The four-decade-old rule of Libyan leader Moammar Kadafi has been shaken by days of violent protests which reached the capital Tripoli for the first time on Monday, according to Reuters.

seems to be Mirages

report with video: http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20110221/local/two-libyan-fighter-jets-arrive-in-malta-two-helicopters-land
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