It has started....

[Mad Russian]

The reaction the to Danish cartoon worldwide was interesting. Here in the US we commonly make cartoons of everyone from God on down to the dog that owns your house and lets you live it to serve them....

I think that was a wakeup call for the world about just how serious the Islamic issues are.

Good Hunting.

MR

[Tanker]

I can recommend the book Infidel by Ali Hirsi.  She was involved in the making of that movie in Holland for which the director was brutally murdered and she, a member of parliament was forced to go into hiding.

I actually spoke to some Dutch people here in this country that faulted her for opening her mouth.  They seemed very afraid of the islamics in Holland.
Didn't they learn anything about opposing facism from the 30's and 40's?

Who knows Rattler, if it keeps up you might have some Al Qaida boys living right down the street from you.   After all they do want al andalus back.  You might get radicalized yourself.

[von Staudt]

I posted this because in an earlier post to Koen I was not sure if Belgum had had any unrest similar to France, Germany, or the Neatherlands.  I found this article that seems to confirm that, yes, Belgum is in trouble too.

I see the usual "kill the messenger" stuff in your reply, but what has any of this got to do with the facts of the story?  Can you refute them or not?  I didn't think so.   

Nope, the facts are facts, after all, and the lady sure does her research well.

It is the interpretation of the facts that I wanted to shed a light on.

Rattler

What interpretation?  Facts are facts.  "shed light" away.  I'm waiting.   

[Rattler]

I posted this because in an earlier post to Koen I was not sure if Belgum had had any unrest similar to France, Germany, or the Neatherlands.  I found this article that seems to confirm that, yes, Belgum is in trouble too.

I see the usual "kill the messenger" stuff in your reply, but what has any of this got to do with the facts of the story?  Can you refute them or not?  I didn't think so.   

Nope, the facts are facts, after all, and the lady sure does her research well.

It is the interpretation of the facts that I wanted to shed a light on.

Rattler

What interpretation?  Facts are facts.  "shed light" away.  I'm waiting.   

Example:

Fact: The volume of a glass is occupied for 50% by water

Interpretation: The glass is half empty

Rattler

[stoffel]

Negative thinking Rattler....

Its half full

Sorry I couldnt refuse to make that joke 

[Rattler]

Q.E.D. ! 

Rattler

[Mad Russian]

Or you just have half a glass to start with....................

Good Hunting.

MR

[Alan65]

Have you checked to confirm it's water?

[von Staudt]

Nope, the facts are facts, after all, and the lady sure does her research well.

It is the interpretation of the facts that I wanted to shed a light on.

Rattler

What interpretation?  Facts are facts.  "shed light" away.  I'm waiting.   

Example:

Fact: The volume of a glass is occupied for 50% by water

Interpretation: The glass is half empty

Rattler

OK.  I give up.  With logic like that I don't have a chance.   

[Rattler]

Mods: Feel free to move/copy to the games section)

Now that a cease fire is in place, we can take (with the Jerusalem Post) a look of what wargame designers make of the conflict:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1231950856374&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Rattler

[von Staudt]

Well, there are no REAL troubles here in the Netherlands.
All you see is (mostly) left wing supported groups of Moroccans screaming and jelling anti Jewish slogans.
They also get away with it
Once they try to do things against the law I am sure  they will be dealt with.
A lot of people are allready fed up with these guys, terrorizing entire neighbourhoods.
What you dont see in the media are the people who are against these terrorists.
Dozens of gatherings where more people show up to support Israel and its citizens.
Its just not political "right" to stand up against those  "poor" terrorists.

People tend to forget that the average Moslim terrorist only wants to kill us all.
Its either pro or against, being islamic or dead.
As a civilian in a western country you are a legitimate target in their eyes.
Its time more people  understand its that black and white for the average terrorist.
There is no reason to believe they will not hurt you if you voted against a sitting government, they kill indiscriminately, look to what happened in India......
Whats even worse is that these people can hide /make use of our laws while they are living above these same laws, and dont respect them.

Just my 2 cents.

This doesn't look at all:

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/01/022630.php

[stoffel]

yeah,

Its a left wing supported lawsuit.
Wilders probably isnt able to finance this, so he might be forced stop his political work.
A simple way to get rid of someone who might get thousands of voters behind him.

[Tanker]

Good to see freedom of thought and speech is alive and well in Holland. :'(  It's a shame that the altruism of the Dutch has been turned against them.  I hope it's a lesson well learned.

Another article with a little more detail

http://www.city-journal.org/2009/eon0122bb.html

[stoffel]

I know...
But there is nothing we can do against it........

[Tanker]

I know...
But there is nothing we can do against it........

Of course there is.  Grass roots organizing to educate the public and throw out the fuzzy headed liberal politicians who put you in this mess and would like to see you slaves to Sharia law.  Contribute to the legal defense of Wilders.  "Evil is done when good men do nothing".  Some polls show that more than 2/3 of the Dutch don't think Sharia is compatible with a modern Europe.

[von Staudt]

I am surprised that only 2/3 think Sharia law is not good for the Neatherlands.  That means that 1/3 think it's OK!     That's scary.   

[Tanker]

Polls are like statistics.  You can make them say whatever you like.

[Rattler]

And I think the latter third had no clue what Sharia was and how to prepare it for supper...

Seriously, I was completely shocked last year when I found out that 90% of my co-citizens here think that the religion in Israel is Islam... I had found out accidentally in a conversatioin with a normally well educated lady and, taking it from there, making a mini poll asking everybody I met for the next week "Do you know what religion the people in Israel have?"... I bet if you try that around your friends you will get a big surprise...

Basically, people dont know very much for starters in general but then share their most dedicated opinions freely:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WALIARHHLII

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANTDkfkoBaI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftg1EtdgbHI

and not all soldiers are geniuses:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS7O3mmPv_w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8fjR0yRBqI (Embedding disabled, limit reached)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtyHjzqCURI (Embedding disabled, limit reached)

and, finally, one for German speakers (subtiteled):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFpyl5B0v0g (Embedding disabled, limit reached)

Rattler

[antonic]

People are entitled to their opinions, if I dont share them (or they dont like mine) thats OK as I know I am right !

[FACman]

When I first started watching these clips, I was embarrassed to be American. After I watched them all, I was embarrassed to be a Human Being. It is no wonder, the foul politicians can so easily lead us down such paths as we now find ourselves.

mea culpa
mea culpa
mea maxima culpa

*shakes head in utter disbelief*

J

as for the title of this thread...I say, "It never ended"