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Author Topic: Polish President Lech Kaczynski 'in plane crash'  (Read 2636 times)
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« on: 10 April 2010, 10:09:13 »
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A plane carrying Polish President Lech Kaczynski has crashed near a Russian airport, officials say.

Russian media reported that 87 people were killed in the crash near Smolensk, and a regional governor was quoted as saying there were no survivors.

Polish officials said Mr Kaczynski was on board along with his wife Maria and several senior government figures.

They were in Russia to mark the 70th anniversary of the Katyn massacre, when the Soviets killed thousands of Poles.

Plane 'hit trees'

The Russian emergencies ministry told Itar-Tass news agency the plane crashed at 1056 Moscow time (0656 GMT).

Ministry spokeswoman Irina Andrianova said it had been flying from Moscow to Smolensk, but had no details on the identities of those killed.

Smolensk regional governor Sergei Antufiev told Russian TV that no-one had survived.

"As it was preparing for landing, the Polish president's aircraft did not make it to the landing strip," he said.

"According to preliminary reports, it got caught up in the tops of trees, fell to the ground and broke up into pieces. There are no survivors in that crash.

"We are clarifying how many people there were in the [Polish] delegation. According to preliminary reports, 85 members of the delegation and the crew."

Controversial figure

The BBC's Adam Easton in Warsaw says the president was flying in a Tupolev 154, a plane that was designed in the 1960s and capable of carrying more than 100 passengers.

The Polish Foreign Ministry said the president and his wife were aboard the plane.

Central bank governor Slawomir Skrzypek was also said to have been on board.

Mr Kaczynski has been a controversial figure in Polish politics, advocating a right-wing Catholic agenda.

He has opposed rapid free-market reforms and favoured retaining social welfare programmes.



First on-site video of plane crash that killed Polish president Lech Kaczynski
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« Reply #1 on: 11 April 2010, 01:08:06 »
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Amongst the dead, some high ranking military guys, R.I.P.:

- Gen. Bronislaw KWIATKOWSKI Operational Commander of Polish Armed Forces

- Gen. pil. Andrew B?asik Polish Air Force Commander

- Maj.-Gen. Tadeusz BUK Commander of Land Forces of Poland

- Maj.-Gen. Vladimir POTASI?SKI Polish Special Forces Commander

- Vice Admiral Andrzej Karweta Commander Navy

- Brig. Kazimierz GILARSKI Commander Training Centre


Crashed 4th intent to land on a closed airport with 0.5 km visibility, and w/o ILS...

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The crash occurred in foggy conditions (500 m/1,600 ft visibility) about 1.5 kilometres (0.9 mi) from the airfield, about 300 to 400 metres (980 to 1,300 ft) off the landing path, after the pilots attempted a go-around. The base was closed because of thick fog and the pilot was advised by flight control to land in Moscow or Minsk; however he decided to continue with the original flight plan and the crash occurred on the fourth approach after three failed attempts.

The cause of the crash was initially attributed to crew error and investigators and criminal law experts were dispatched to the crash site. In 2008, a different pilot of Kaczy?ski's plane was threatened with dismissal when he refused to land the aircraft in Tbilisi during the South Ossetian war between Georgia and Russia.

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A mission control operator spoke anonymously to the agency, saying "The pilot was advised to fly to Moscow or Minsk because of heavy fog, but he still decided to land. No one should have been landing in that fog."

Alexandr Aleshin, the First Deputy Chief of the Main Staff of the Russian Air Force, said that the plane increased its descent rate and went below the glide slope 1.5 km (0.93 mi) from the runway. Controllers instructed the pilot to abort the approach; when he did not, controllers advised the aircraft to return to the reserve landing point. This order was repeated several times but the crew continued with the approach and crashed.


So, we might have to do it here with an error in identifying airport (this seems to be the Smolensk mil airfield and not the civil one, not even apt to land a Tu in normal conditions for too short rwy) topped off with stupid heroism.

Crazy and tragic,

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« Reply #2 on: 11 April 2010, 11:54:43 »
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I'm also stunned that they put all those high-ranking officers and the president in 1 plane?

Isn't it standard to divide them between more then 1 airplane...just in case something like this happens?
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« Reply #3 on: 11 April 2010, 16:17:28 »
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I'm also stunned that they put all those high-ranking officers and the president in 1 plane?

Isn't it standard to divide them between more then 1 airplane...just in case something like this happens?

AFAIK,  no.

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« Reply #4 on: 14 April 2010, 02:39:48 »
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Only whoever is next in line to be President in the event of death.
Very unfortunate. Bedroefd
Rest in Peace.
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Only whoever is next in line to be President in the event of death.
Very unfortunate. Bedroefd
Rest in Peace.


they now said to would review the standards on transportation of VIPs.
what i heard was that the previous plane tried to land several times before without success, the one that crashed was in it's 1st approach, all rumours ofcourse
again...will we ever know the truth?
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