Occupy USA

Seattle Police Attack Occupy Protesters with Chemical Weapons, Bikes

again.... when does the violence start? AFTER people get sprayed with ALOT of pepperspray...

seems so strange that they know how to deal with nuclear threats, tanks, complete armies and more but.... HELL.... our own citizens are demonstrating peacefully.... WHAT NOW? HEEEEEEEEEEEEEELP 

I Germany or Spain, the above shown officers pepper spraying the students would have gone straigh to jail until questioned by the judge. §1 of our constitution: "The dignity of a person is above anything else".

But, alas, it shows how much the brokers (?) are afraid of us that want to (re)define what should make a human being in the 21st century.

Call it as you want, 15-M, Spanish Revolution, Occupy-Wall Street: They wont stop us now, not even with a war that is at the horizon of this GoldmannSachs planet (surprise, surprise: Monti in Italy and Papa-whatever in Greece are - not elected but appointed - Ex-GS employees...), they are talking numbers, we are talking souls.

We have been happily auto-enslaving ouselves readily and happily (and making profit from it), but the youth and the old ones are awaking (the middle class, we shall see if it survives), now it is our job to clean the mess up we produced.

When it comes to "No job, No home, No food" it is easily to come to the conlusion "Not afraid" for the young and the old who have nothing to lose but all to gain. The "My crisis - your profit" impact is too obvious by now to be ignored by even the dumbest in Europe (in the US I wont bet they will check it ever in their majority, they seem to be kind of proud of being against anything modern in the political sense of the word).



What I have been saying since 11-S, and my two favorite punk rock bands are with me:

- There is no point in democracy when ignorance is celebrated.
- Majority rules: Won´t work in Mental Institutions.

The idiots have taken over...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZpSI2UNee8

I am not a robot, I am not a monkey,
I wont dance on order even if the beat is funky!

The song lyrics  to the vid below (Linkin Park - When They Come For Me):

Spanish Revolution 15M, Linkin Park - When They Come For Me (live in Madrid)

Wake up, slaves! What makes life worthwile? I am not anti-system, but it turned out that the system is obviously anti-me (and anti-you).

Lets hope this goes without too much blood shed, but if we look at all big moves in history I doubt we will be so lucky.

Rattler

Yes, this has definitely given the movement a black eye. It is certainly an example of the short sightedness of the movement's leadership. Now they have given their opponents ammunition to use against them, though the actual extent of these problems remains unclear in my eyes. My govt made up lies and incidents to get us involved in the Vietnam War, then trumped up more stories to kick off the Iraq War, why wouldn't they do the same in this Class War? That is to say, I would not be surprised to find out some of the offenders were in fact govt agents placed to discredit the movement.
 
Anytime you have a population such as a rock concert, sporting event (ie; World Cup/Super Bowl/World Series) in a small area, there are a certain percentage of miscreants who don't abide by our social norms, and exhibit poor behavior. So I am not surprised by their occurrence in the first instance.

It would seem that you nailed the problem here, people without work. There's an old saying from my childhood that applies...Idle hands are the Devil's workshop. Now some of them may be happy to be out of work, but most human beings would rather make an honest living, and I don't think you can say that a majority of the Occupy Movement are anything but everyday people looking for a fair shake. Here in America, there are upwards of 20 million people out of work, and the right wing is painting them as lazy people who don't want to work, a fact they cannot substantiate.
As for the agents provocateur, if they are good, you wouldn't be aware of them, like any recon unit, stealth is their modus operandi.

Here in Spain, where the whole movement started and then spread through Europe and the US we have definite data protected proof and on top also self-denounciations of government agent-provocateurs inflitrated to discredit the movement ("15M" here).

Here a few links, vids incluisive, use google translator where the pics dont speak by themselves:

First a video (sorry, 15 secs publicity to start it, subtitles in catalan), where you can clearly see how the pacific demonstrators suddenly get alterated by a group of violent actors, later those get isolated by the demonstraters themselves and turn out to be secret police in civil clothing. NOTE they started all the hassle and rioting, their earpieces gave them away (and, perfect discipline, the demonstrators did not even attack them or opt for revenge, just filmed them). THey keep them rounded up until uniformed police "liberate" them. All those 12 guys and gals have later been identified positively and are now called by the judge as witnesses for the trials agains the 6 detained for the "riots" (who face 9 yrs of prison). Who are the misfits?

http://www.20minutos.tv/video/abyFJOVY-quienes-eran-estos-indignados/

More vids and proof of agent-provocateurs here:

http://canarioporelmundo.blogspot.com/2011/06/agentes-de-paisano-brigada-de.html

http://www.lavozdegalicia.es/espana/2011/06/10/0003_201106G10P18991.htm

http://www.20minutos.es/noticia/1084002/0/infiltracion/policias/parlament/
As FacMan states so correctly, there are not more incidents than at any rock concert/soccer match at any day: Same number of misfits everywhere.

This has nothing to do with the reason for the movment and its reason for its existence, I myself have been part in the Palma manifestations and could not see any of the things you mentioned above. I saw the opposite: The demonstrators and occupiers organized(d) a brigade that took over the cleaning and maintenance of the public spaces, between tents and everywhere else. As far as I know this is the same system that has been employed in the other follow-ups over the world.

Dont let yourself be manipulated by a government that sides with the bankers and uses all tricks to discredit a perfetly legitime movment!

Maybe (and here I differ from FAcMans POV) the only problem the movement has is that there is no leadership, no organisation(s) behind it, which would explain why misfits at least have a chance to sneak in.

Rattler

Now, this Marine, Sgt. Shamar Thomas, is the stuff that my heroes are made of, yessir!    

Where´s the honor?

The good news you can see in the faces of the young cops, they can still appreciate food for thought, obviously...  Not all hope is lost.

Rattler


EDIT a bit later: Found an interview with him, again I can understand and share most he says, especially when he gets warmer with the situation towards the end:

Olbermann interviews marine veteran who shamed police - Sgt Shamar Thomas - Occupy Wall Street