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« on: 26 February 2009, 06:36:32 »
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Yesterday, FEB 24, a young guy by the name of Emilio Gutierrez, from Lazcano in the North of Spain (The Basque Region) attacked with a big hammer a bar/office of the "Abertzale", the political arm of the terrorist organizatioin ETA and destroyed everything inside.

The background: On Sunday ETA had posted an 8kg bomb close to the Socialist Party seat in the city and blown it up (in a reaction to coming Sundays elections in The Basque Region), in the process also severely damaging Emilios apartment (rendered unusable) which he had just finished constructing over a few years, see some pics attached.

Emilio went to live with his parents and kept still (which is the normal reaction for Basque citizens under the constant threat of ETA).

Yesterday then there was a small demonstration in front of the political seat of ETA for ETA victims, and a group of radical ETA supporters were there, openly laughing at the victims who´s houses got destroyed.

This time, Emilio would not remain still anymore, calmly went to his car, got a big hammer out, and then... see for yourself



When he got arrested he shouted into the face of the present pro-eta radicals "Vosotros habeis jodido mi casa, ahora he jodido la vuestra, Ojo por ojo!" ("You fucked up my house, now I have fucked up your´s, an eye for an eye!")...

Now, reactions are blooming in Spain, this was *the* theme in bars here in my area yesterday morning.

The president of The Basque Region, the "lehendakari" Ibarretxe of the moderate national PNV commented that reactions like the one of Emilio were "inciting violence" which seems a bit ridiculous when Emilio just had been victim of serious ETA violence, but others ask for supporting him.

ETA has put up Emilios portrait everywhere in a "Wanted Fascist" style and say that his face will not be forgotten should he ever come back (which in their language means neck shot) to show their presence and to make the villagers shut up.

About 100 ETA supporters held a demonstration in the village under the banner of "Eraso faxistarik ez, demokrazia orain!" ("No more fascist attacks, democracy now!") and later published a communique to the press in which they voice their "indignation" about the "shameful take of some media" that find Emilios actions "comprehensible". Nothing about the bombing attack of cause.

Of cause on the other hand there are many that aks themselves why it took so long before someone reacted to ETA violence with some balls well hung, there is a support website up for Emilio (http://justicierolazkao.blogspot.com/) where you can donate to pay for the apartment reconstruction and the lawyers he will need (he will be facing 8 years), and on facebook a group has been formed that "ISO 100.000 persons that want to give a hammering to an EA office" (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=69918655249).

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« Reply #1 on: 26 February 2009, 12:03:40 »
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What says alot about the whole situation is that the 2 first cops who are not wearing caps don't even enter but wait for the masked ones...

In a normal environment you would never get a force like this to react on 1 guy with a hammer...when you want 10-15 cops to come together for 1 case you need probably 1/2 hour...except when you're used to react in an terrorist evironment.

Him doing his thing? I don't think that the bombing itself did it but the reaction of people provocing you with their laughters...

We all have our limits of how much we can take...

I'm quite a peace-loving guy but I always said/say that when someone would touch my wife or grandchildren I would kill them.
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« Reply #2 on: 26 February 2009, 19:10:32 »
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What says alot about the whole situation is that the 2 first cops who are not wearing caps don't even enter but wait for the masked ones...


You have to interpret that one in context: As it was a terrorist attack and the dmonstration announced, all major networks with their satellite dishes as well as the "masked" anti terror force were present at the act and less than 100 yards away. 

The interesting thing here is that they let him basically finish his rampage before they intervened (I assume out of a certain sympathy and waiting for re-inforcements) before they politely arrested him (check how they ask him "documentation?" and he presents it, and they always treat him as "caballero" = knight = sir)

I agree with the rest you say, though I also am fundamentally believing that vengance should be eaten cold and nobody *ever* should take the law in his own hands (or take the consequences with his head high).

I cannot condone his behaviour from my POV but I undestand the guy to the point where I am not sure whether I had not done the same thing (fully knowing it was wrong and even generally the wrong way to deal with those "cachorros").

Still, I donated 50 Euros today, as he is the first person ever to confront ETA openly in such a way that I know of, and these guys generally deserve all respect and I wanted to show mine.

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« Reply #3 on: 26 February 2009, 19:24:03 »
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I'm quite a peace-loving guy but I always said/say that when someone would touch my wife or grandchildren I would kill them.


Sincerely, I never understood how so many victims family members never did anything that made head lines, but I would *not* kill them.

A shot to the kneekaps, breaking his back bone with an iron bar, leavin them paralytic or something along those lines would make much more sense both from the consequences I would have to face on top of my suffering as well as from the suffering I wanted to compensate and hence transger:

A kill and it is over for the guy? And I go to prison for life time on top of having lost my wife/child/whatever other loved one? No way!

7 yrs for aggravated injury (coming out after 5) and then see the guy in the wheel chair for the rest of my life would do my vengative spirit much more good.

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« Reply #4 on: 26 February 2009, 19:33:51 »
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Very good point Matt, but its better to "accidently" hit him with a car Knipoog
Dont forget to drive backwards cause you thought you felt something and wanna have a look Smiley
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« Reply #5 on: 26 February 2009, 19:54:56 »
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well....ofcourse you never know in advance how far one would go but my reaction would be very severe...

would I take the penalty afterwards...YES...with my head high...

what else...live long and happy? knowing you didn't do anything?
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