War & Conflicts Discussions => Panzer VI & its variants "Tiger" => Topic started by: Koen on 12 January 2009, 23:00:33



Title: Sd.Kfz. 185 mit 8,8cm Pak 43 L/71 # Sd.Kfz. 186 mit 12,8-cm Pak 44 L/71
Post by: Koen on 12 January 2009, 23:00:33
Henschel’s gear (74 models)
Porsche’s gear (11 models produced from February to September of 1944)

(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk307/minimischutter/th_jagdtigerwithrunninggear_zps25513d29.jpg) (http://s283.photobucket.com/user/minimischutter/media/jagdtigerwithrunninggear_zps25513d29.jpg.html)

In April of 1945, four were armed with 88mm Pak 43 L/71 gun and were designated as Panzerjäger Tiger mit 88mm Pak 43/3 (Sf)Sd.Kfz.185

128mm Pak 44 L/55 were designated Sd.Kfz.186

July of 1944 to April of 1945, only 85 Jagtigers were manufactured (out of 150 ordered) with known chassisnumbers 305001 to 305077 or to 305088.

Jagdtigers were produced by Nibelungenwerke at St. Valentin and were tested at Dollersheim in Austria.

Henschel’s gear roadwheels (800mm in diameter) were slightly larger than those used in Porsche’s gear (700mm in diameter).

Two s.Pz.Jäg.Abt. (schwere Panzerjäger Abteilung) were issued the Jagdtiger: s.Pz.Jäg.Abt. 653 and s.Pz.Jäg.Abt. 512. With the collapse of the Wehrmacht, the Jagdtigers produced few results.

(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk307/minimischutter/th_jagdtiger1_zpsc8b10859.jpg) (http://s283.photobucket.com/user/minimischutter/media/jagdtiger1_zpsc8b10859.jpg.html)
(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk307/minimischutter/th_jagdtiger2_zpscb8b4a6c.jpg) (http://s283.photobucket.com/user/minimischutter/media/jagdtiger2_zpscb8b4a6c.jpg.html)
Jagdtiger
(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk307/minimischutter/th_capturedjagdtiger_zps467ddf6e.jpg) (http://s283.photobucket.com/user/minimischutter/media/capturedjagdtiger_zps467ddf6e.jpg.html)
Captured Jagdtiger loaded on a US tank transport truck.

Pictures taken from various sources:
Spielberger, pictures from german battlefield, images of war.





Title: Re: Sd.Kfz. 185 mit 8,8cm Pak 43 L/71 # Sd.Kfz. 186 mit 12,8-cm Pak 44 L/71
Post by: MontyB on 24 February 2010, 08:10:24
Knocked out Jagdtiger...
(http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n158/greg4656/WW2/Jagdtiger.jpg)


Title: Re: Sd.Kfz. 185 mit 8,8cm Pak 43 L/71 # Sd.Kfz. 186 mit 12,8-cm Pak 44 L/71
Post by: Koen on 24 February 2010, 22:44:02
Knocked out Jagdtiger...
([url]http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n158/greg4656/WW2/Jagdtiger.jpg[/url])



seems they tried to move it? look at the cables at the front?

I can't seem to identify it as Porsche or Henschell turret.... ???


Title: Re: Sd.Kfz. 185 mit 8,8cm Pak 43 L/71 # Sd.Kfz. 186 mit 12,8-cm Pak 44 L/71
Post by: Rattler on 24 February 2010, 22:52:43
Knocked out Jagdtiger...
([url]http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n158/greg4656/WW2/Jagdtiger.jpg[/url])



seems they tried to move it? look at the cables at the front?

I can't seem to identify it as Porsche or Henschell turret.... ???

I might be wrong (as I have really no clue about WWII tanks above the general knowledge you aquire after a few years of internet), but are not Henschel (Kassel) and Porsche (Stuttgart) the different base chassis they were mounting (with same turrets)?

Rattler


Title: Re: Sd.Kfz. 185 mit 8,8cm Pak 43 L/71 # Sd.Kfz. 186 mit 12,8-cm Pak 44 L/71
Post by: Koen on 24 February 2010, 23:04:02
Knocked out Jagdtiger...
([url]http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n158/greg4656/WW2/Jagdtiger.jpg[/url])



seems they tried to move it? look at the cables at the front?

I can't seem to identify it as Porsche or Henschell turret.... ???

I might be wrong (as I have really no clue about WWII tanks above the general knowledge you aquire after a few years of internet), but are not Henschel (Kassel) and Porsche (Stuttgart) the different base chassis they were mounting (with same turrets)?

Rattler



correct...  :cry: ... I mixed the KT with the JgdT.... with the KT it were the turrets...with the JgdT the suspension

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150 Jagdtigers were ordered but only half that number were produced. Eleven of them, serial numbers 305001 and 305003 to 305012, were produced with the Porsche suspension (8 roadwheels); all following used the Henschel suspension (9 roadwheels).



Title: Re: Sd.Kfz. 185 mit 8,8cm Pak 43 L/71 # Sd.Kfz. 186 mit 12,8-cm Pak 44 L/71
Post by: MontyB on 24 February 2010, 23:20:26
My money is on it being the Henschel model as the road wheels are not spaced far enough apart to be the Porsche model.


Title: Re: Sd.Kfz. 185 mit 8,8cm Pak 43 L/71 # Sd.Kfz. 186 mit 12,8-cm Pak 44 L/71
Post by: Koen on 24 February 2010, 23:35:50
My money is on it being the Henschel model as the road wheels are not spaced far enough apart to be the Porsche model.


when I see pictures like this lots of questions come up in my head:

1. is that a British officer/soldier?
2. what is that beautiful convertible?
3. where? France?
4. coloured picture or have the colours been added?
5. behind the JgdT...is that a building or a tank?


Title: Re: Sd.Kfz. 185 mit 8,8cm Pak 43 L/71 # Sd.Kfz. 186 mit 12,8-cm Pak 44 L/71
Post by: Earl Grey on 26 February 2010, 18:33:43
The location of those vehicles (that is indeed one Jagdtiger trying to tow another one!) is near Brackenheim (Germany) and they're of sPzJgAbt653. Apparently the second one broke down towing the other and both had to be abandoned.
Anyway, that definitely looks like a Henschel suspension - the Porsche one has much smaller roadwheels, and those would look different from that angle. And I think that 653. had no vehiclkes with Porsche suspension - but I don't have the book I'd need to confirm that. That guy is at least in service with the Commenwealth army (meanng it could also be a Canadian, Australian, Polish or Dutch soldier); the colors could be original. And to asnwer the last question: both - tank AND building. ;D


Title: Re: Sd.Kfz. 185 mit 8,8cm Pak 43 L/71 # Sd.Kfz. 186 mit 12,8-cm Pak 44 L/71
Post by: Koen on 26 February 2010, 21:37:35
The location of those vehicles (that is indeed one Jagdtiger trying to tow another one!) is near Brackenheim (Germany) and they're of sPzJgAbt653. Apparently the second one broke down towing the other and both had to be abandoned.
Anyway, that definitely looks like a Henschel suspension - the Porsche one has much smaller roadwheels, and those would look different from that angle. And I think that 653. had no vehiclkes with Porsche suspension - but I don't have the book I'd need to confirm that. That guy is at least in service with the Commenwealth army (meanng it could also be a Canadian, Australian, Polish or Dutch soldier); the colors could be original. And to asnwer the last question: both - tank AND building. ;D


thx for the info bud!