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Author Topic: About Panther (2) who ambushed US troops out of Philippeville  (Read 6677 times)
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« on: 4 September 2011, 20:10:57 »
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Hi everyone,
I'm just a lightfoot in forum, just one previous experience, I'm an historical researcher, with some pals we dig for crashed aircraft of WW II here in Belgium. It is always very interesting and sometime we've got a very high reward, we share a lot of informations. For this while, I prepare with some friends an exposition about the liberation of our region in September '44.
So, if anyone can help, I look forward for info about the 9th ID and the attached tank unit, and of course about the 2nd SS PzD who tried to impeach this liberation.
It is about the country around Philippeville, in the south of Belgium, just before crossing the river Meuse.
I thank you beforehand just hopin' not to disturb too much and may be help someone or receive some info.
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« Reply #1 on: 4 September 2011, 23:01:02 »
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Hi there,

Welcome onboard.
I hope you will enjoy your stay here.
There should be members around that can help you, I shall look in my library tomorrow if I can dig up information regarding the 2nd pz dv.

henk (Stoffel)
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« Reply #2 on: 5 September 2011, 08:49:08 »
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From what I could find the 2nd pz had 2600 infantrymen, an artillery detachment with some stugs and a few guns and only 1 Panthertank.
2 Befehlspanthers mounted a counterattack when they were repaired and brought back to the unit, that might have been the attack on Phillipsville.

This is some usefull info I found: http://www.forum-der-wehrmacht.de/thread.php?postid=233362
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« Reply #3 on: 7 September 2011, 03:31:02 »
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From what I could find the 2nd pz had 2600 infantrymen, an artillery detachment with some stugs and a few guns and only 1 Panthertank.
2 Befehlspanthers mounted a counterattack when they were repaired and brought back to the unit, that might have been the attack on Phillipsville.

This is some usefull info I found: http://www.forum-der-wehrmacht.de/thread.php?postid=233362



You are doing better than I on this, I cant even find mention of the engagements in either 2 SSPD or 9 ID books all I find are mentions of being in the area.

Still I like a challenge so I will hunt some more.
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« Reply #4 on: 7 September 2011, 13:05:19 »
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LOL, somewhere the counterattack is mentioned in Jentz panzertruppen.
The other things are from the German forum ( link)
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« Reply #5 on: 7 September 2011, 23:43:37 »
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All I am finding is mention of "Defensive battles" around Phillipsville as they withdrew to the Ardennes.

I have re-read both:
- Tiger Division "Das Reich" by Wolfgang Schneider
- SS-Das Reich: The History of the Second SS Division 1939-45 by Gregory Louis Mattson

And found nothing of any use.
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« Reply #6 on: 10 September 2011, 17:17:25 »
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Two German units are named in this thread, the 2nd SS Panzer Division and the 2nd Panzer Division, as being the unit operating in this area. First and foremost you need to identify which of these is the unit that was in the area during September 44. Or if it was both of them. They are often confused with each other.

Good Hunting.

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« Reply #7 on: 10 September 2011, 22:35:22 »
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Looking at 2nd Panzers withdrawal path for early September ( Charleville - Givet -Houffalize) it seems likely they were in the area at the time and were equiped with Panthers
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« Reply #8 on: 20 November 2011, 12:08:05 »
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Alain,

how is the research going?

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