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Pz IV type G with zimmerit and skirts

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« on: 21 November 2008, 13:11:19 »
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« Reply #1 on: 21 November 2008, 14:58:45 »
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The number said nothing about the unit, its simply 2nd vehicle,second platoon, 6th company.
The clothing could be simple coats stolen from jewish civilians.
The SS had huge magazines full of furcoats and other warm clothing.
The grenade you see is a hollow charge, magnetic mine.
It can be put onto the hull of a tank, the explosion than wrecks the inside of the tank because the tanks armor splinters due to the power of the blast.
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« Reply #2 on: 5 January 2009, 01:54:51 »
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Actually a shaped charge forms a very high temperture jet of material that literally burns a hole through the armor plate like a cutting torch, only much hotter.  The hot jet of flame and molten metal blasts into the interior of the tank, destroying and setting on fire anything in its path.

Not a good place t be when it happens.   Bedroefd

The plates you see attached to later model tanks can defeat the hollow charge by having it go off too far away from the main armor to be able to penetrate.
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« Reply #3 on: 5 January 2009, 22:27:02 »
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Quote from: von Staudt on  5 January 2009, 01:54:51
Actually a shaped charge forms a very high temperture jet of material that literally burns a hole through the armor plate like a cutting torch, only much hotter.  The hot jet of flame and molten metal blasts into the interior of the tank, destroying and setting on fire anything in its path.

Not a good place t be when it happens.   Bedroefd

The plates you see attached to later model tanks can defeat the hollow charge by having it go off too far away from the main armor to be able to penetrate.


ok, useful, thx

isn't this the same procedure that's still being used?
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« Reply #4 on: 13 January 2009, 22:16:39 »
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panzer IV?
which type?
are the numbers red with white lining?
are those colours specific to a certain division?
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« Reply #5 on: 18 January 2009, 22:34:59 »
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Quote from: Koen on  5 January 2009, 22:27:02
Quote from: von Staudt on  5 January 2009, 01:54:51
Actually a shaped charge forms a very high temperture jet of material that literally burns a hole through the armor plate like a cutting torch, only much hotter.  The hot jet of flame and molten metal blasts into the interior of the tank, destroying and setting on fire anything in its path.

Not a good place t be when it happens.   Bedroefd

The plates you see attached to later model tanks can defeat the hollow charge by having it go off too far away from the main armor to be able to penetrate.



ok, useful, thx

isn't this the same procedure that's still being used?



Yes.  Any "shaped charges" use the same principle, called the Monroe Effect.  Here is a good article about it:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaped_charge

Some of the WW2 weapons are the Panzerfaust, Panzerschreck, bazooka, and the mine in the picture.  Here is another Wikipedia link:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bazooka
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« Reply #6 on: 19 January 2009, 00:48:23 »
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Quote from: Koen on 13 January 2009, 22:16:39
panzer IV?
which type?
are the numbers red with white lining?
are those colours specific to a certain division?


Yes PzIV, see the muzzle brake? A PziII didn't have a muzzle brake.

Since there are no side skirts on either the body  or the turret and the shape of the muzzle brake I would say it is an early model PzIV G.

The photo is black and white Koen....how is anyone supposed to tell you the color of the numbering?

The colors could be specific to a division to the units they were assigned to but more than one unit used red numbering.

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« Reply #7 on: 30 May 2009, 19:29:39 »
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I think that's either an early or mid-production PzIVG (depends on how you count) at the third battle for Kharkov since one of the soldiers wears SS decals on his helmet. Number is very likely white outline only, although that is indeed difficult to tell. 
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« Reply #8 on: 30 May 2009, 20:58:29 »
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Quote from: Earl Grey on 30 May 2009, 19:29:39
I think that's either an early or mid-production PzIVG (depends on how you count) at the third battle for Kharkov since one of the soldiers wears SS decals on his helmet. Number is very likely white outline only, although that is indeed difficult to tell. 


it's indeed almost impossible to tell what the colours are but any well based guess is ok for me  hatsoff

thanks for the extra info
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« Reply #9 on: 31 May 2009, 10:06:40 »
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If you look close to the letters you can tell what it is.
The numbers have no colour , only outlined white on the basic camo.
You can see this by looking at the last number, there you can see two shades of camo inside the number.
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