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Author Topic: Agent Orange and it's legacy in Vietnam  (Read 1570 times)
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« on: 21 December 2009, 18:38:43 »
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A recent article regarding the legacy that remains in Vietnam to this day. Needless to say, but I am quite sensitive to this subject, though I am blessed with a son who exhibits no sign of my contamination.

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1948084,00.html?iid=tsmodule
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This lonely section of the abandoned Danang air base was once crawling with U.S. airmen and machines. It was here where giant orange drums were stored and the herbicides they contained were mixed and loaded onto waiting planes. Whatever sloshed out soaked into the soil and eventually seeped into the water supply. Thirty years later, the rare visitor to the former U.S. air base is provided with rubber boots and protective clothing. Residue from Agent Orange, which was sprayed to deny enemy troops jungle cover, remains so toxic that this patch of land is considered one of the most contaminated pieces of real estate in the country. A recent study indicates that even three decades after the war ended, the cancer-causing dioxins are at levels 300 to 400 times higher than what is deemed to be safe....read more...

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« Reply #1 on: 21 December 2009, 20:42:02 »
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Agent Orange has also been in the news here too.  Apparently each person affected by the chemical was awarded $20,000.  Peanuts really,  seeing as some died of cancer, which was directly linked to the testing out of Agent Orange at Gage town. Here's an article about it:

http://www.legionmagazine.com/en/index.php/2008/01/government-announces-agent-orange-compensation-2/
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« Reply #2 on: 21 December 2009, 20:43:44 »
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FACman,  I also checked out the link of chemical use in the town in India and of the consequences.  Terrible.   It's always the innocent who are made to suffer because of these kind of blunders.
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« Reply #3 on: 21 December 2009, 22:34:01 »
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This legacy was a major reason I only have one child. news about the problems surrounding Agent Orange surfaced right around the time my son was born. My first contact with the VA was shortly thereafter, whereupon I was told that there were no problems associated with it's usage. Basically, they said don't call us, we'll call you. Needless to say, I had dodged a bullet the first time out, but didn't want to tempt the fates any further.
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« Reply #4 on: 21 December 2009, 22:45:02 »
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This legacy was a major reason I only have one child. news about the problems surrounding Agent Orange surfaced right around the time my son was born. My first contact with the VA was shortly thereafter, whereupon I was told that there were no problems associated with it's usage. Basically, they said don't call us, we'll call you. Needless to say, I had dodged a bullet the first time out, but didn't want to tempt the fates any further.


we as outsiders can't fully understand how it feels to fight for people that lie to us
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« Reply #5 on: 21 December 2009, 23:31:58 »
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we as outsiders can't fully understand how it feels to fight for people that lie to us


Simple, we fight for the principles and aspirations of our country, not for the liars who run it.
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« Reply #6 on: 22 December 2009, 20:41:33 »
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Simple, we fight for the principles and aspirations of our country, not for the liars who run it.


I know, but that doesn't give us the sentiment of how it feels....you do fight for honour and the liars don't know what honour is...all they care about is money
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« Reply #7 on: 22 December 2009, 21:40:34 »
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but that doesn't give us the sentiment of how it feels


Surely it is no different than what patriots across the world feel, after all, we are human beings before we are Americans.
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Surely it is no different than what patriots across the world feel, after all, we are human beings before we are Americans.


do you think that there's a difference inbetween:

1. what US citizens and soldiers feel?
2. what US and not-US soldiers feel?
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« Reply #9 on: 22 December 2009, 22:41:40 »
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Interesting questions, I have my take on that, but will hold back until you two have made the base to comment on.

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do you think that there's a difference between:

1. what US citizens and soldiers feel?


That goes without saying, as one generally believes in the principals, the other believes enough to put his life on the line for those same principals, quite the difference in my opinion.

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I think not, as both are patriots in their own right. (This point of course does not include conscripts, as that is an entirely different question)
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That goes without saying, as one generally believes in the principals, the other believes enough to put his life on the line for those same principals, quite the difference in my opinion.

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2. what US and non-US soldiers feel?


I think not, as both are patriots in their own right. (This point of course does not include conscripts, as that is an entirely different question)


please don't get me wrong, I have the greatest admiration and respect for the fighting men so I do think alot when I see/read how the vets/wounded/fallen are/were treated in the US

this may be the same in other countries but the US is the most reported on...
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« Reply #12 on: 23 December 2009, 21:13:20 »
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No umbrage taken. This is after all a forum for discussing military matters foremost. None of your questions were accusatory, and my answers were thoughtfully considered before posting. So as they say in football (real football), play on!   
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« Reply #13 on: 23 December 2009, 21:39:57 »
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I think these kind of things can happen anywhere,  in any country to soldiers of different nationalities.  The US (having free speech),  are just more vocal about what does and does not happen, (which is the best way to be). 
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« Reply #14 on: 25 December 2009, 15:03:10 »
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I think these kind of things can happen anywhere


Aye, tis a common thread that binds the Warrior, despite our political/national differences.
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