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« on: 11 March 2010, 01:14:02 »
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« Reply #1 on: 11 March 2010, 08:53:00 »
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O come on, where do you find all these things? Knipoog Form the top of my head, though, I'd say the gun is a Russian ZIS, the chassis is either a Polish or Czech tank. Everything else I'd have to research, too...
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« Reply #2 on: 11 March 2010, 19:46:17 »
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O come on, where do you find all these things? Knipoog Form the top of my head, though, I'd say the gun is a Russian ZIS, the chassis is either a Polish or Czech tank. Everything else I'd have to research, too...


well, we do all what we can to keep you here  hihi

isn't it better called FlaK instead of AFV?
or isn't it a AA gun at all?  Huh?
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« Reply #3 on: 12 March 2010, 00:58:46 »
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It isn't an AA gun.
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« Reply #4 on: 12 March 2010, 10:36:40 »
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If it is a ZiS it's an AT gun. Judging from the looks of the barrel I'd say it's a 57mm ZiS-2 on a Komsomolets artillery tractor (okay, it's a Russian model in the end) and the whole combination seems to have been called 'ZiS-30.'
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« Reply #5 on: 12 March 2010, 19:40:06 »
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If it is a ZiS it's an AT gun. Judging from the looks of the barrel I'd say it's a 57mm ZiS-2 on a Komsomolets artillery tractor (okay, it's a Russian model in the end) and the whole combination seems to have been called 'ZiS-30.'



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When Germany invaded the Soviet Union in 1941, the largely obsolete Soviet tank force was reduced to a fraction of its original size. As one of the desperate stop-gap measures to counter the German tank forces, T-20 "Komsomolets" tracked artillery tractors were converted to tank destroyers.
Straining the chassis to the maximum, the resulting vehicle, the ZiS-30 was armed with the 57 mm ZiS-2. The conversion was made at the Joseph Stalin Factory no. 92 (ZiS), and about 100 were build in total.
The 57 mm ZiS-2 was an excellent anti-tank gun. Its standard APCBC shot (BR-271) was almost equal to the German 7,5 cm Pak 39 L/48, and its APCR shot (BR-271P) was superior to the APCR shot of the Pak 39 up to 1000 metres. Its main weakness was its poor HE capability. A variant of the ZiS-2 was also used on the T-34-57 prototype. The ZiS-30 was marred by very thin armour, however. Few were in service by 1942, and none survived the war.

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« Reply #6 on: 13 March 2010, 22:09:02 »
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O come on, where do you find all these things? Knipoog Form the top of my head, though, I'd say the gun is a Russian ZIS, the chassis is either a Polish or Czech tank. Everything else I'd have to research, too...


well, we do all what we can to keep you here  hihi

isn't it better called FlaK instead of AFV?
or isn't it a AA gun at all?  Huh?


The reason I am certain it wasn't an AA gun is that if you look at the mounting and shield you will see that it is designed to elevate down and not up as would be required of an AA gun unless they wanted to shoot planes that were landed, essentially that gun is already at maximum elevation.
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« Reply #7 on: 13 March 2010, 23:14:30 »
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O come on, where do you find all these things? Knipoog Form the top of my head, though, I'd say the gun is a Russian ZIS, the chassis is either a Polish or Czech tank. Everything else I'd have to research, too...


well, we do all what we can to keep you here  hihi

isn't it better called FlaK instead of AFV?
or isn't it a AA gun at all?  Huh?


The reason I am certain it wasn't an AA gun is that if you look at the mounting and shield you will see that it is designed to elevate down and not up as would be required of an AA gun unless they wanted to shoot planes that were landed, essentially that gun is already at maximum elevation.



ah, good sighting, they would need to lay down if they want to target higher  hihi
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« Reply #8 on: 13 March 2010, 23:34:31 »
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Hehe well I do put a little effort into trying to identify the pictures and my initial thoughts were AA as well but the mechanics of the design itself indicated something else.

What I will probably do now is track down the specifications of the vehicle and add them to the original post.
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« Reply #9 on: 13 March 2010, 23:47:28 »
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as seen on other gun carriers...are the sideplates used horizontally for expanding the crew-area when operating?
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« Reply #10 on: 13 March 2010, 23:52:27 »
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Off hand I have no idea but if you look at the two pictures shown the side plates are hinged and in the first picture they appear to be already down with a rung down to aid in climbing onto the plates.

Of course I could be wrong.
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« Reply #11 on: 14 March 2010, 00:01:19 »
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indeed AA guns were used (Germans first) for ground attacks as they allowed a "point-and-shoot" procedure that normal arty did not for different and not straight trajectory (AA= higher muzzle velocity), so this does not seem contraditory at all.

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