Round 2 Discussion Thread

[Mad Russian]

Extend the deadline, let slow pokes drop-out, do whatever is necessary to avoid removing ANOTHER scenario from this Tourney!



Let me make my position clear.

The ONLY thing I'm not willing to discuss is dropping the scenario.

AL- Throne of Glory wasn't dropped it was removed because of a bug.  If I run into another technical issue that's different. This issue is simply about size.

There is at least one more scenario in the group that will be large. Mine is a combined 14,500 to 15,000 points but it is a phased reinforcement battle not all of that will be on map at the same time.

Good Hunting.

MR

Ah, Gotcha... Sorry, I misunderstood... I thought that removing Forgotten Ground WAS an option on the table...

*Phew...

My devious, crafty and cunning setup had already been completed...

All 3 games underway with XCite. Really looking forward to playing these 3 scenarios out, they all look like great tactical challenges.

These 3 scenarios are more conventional. I understood what Bannon was trying to do and we had some long talks about it. I didn't agree with it but I gave the designers total latitude and I wasn't going back on my word no matter how I felt about the scenario personally. I've tried new things at times too...like the rest of you,, sometimes they work and sometimes they don't.

That may well have been the hit of the tournament. Who would know until you all play it?

Personally, I'm liking my own scenario for  BEST IN CLASS here!!!       

But I could get a Big Surprise from you guys as well...... :'(

Good Hunting.

MR

[Geordie]

Im not against big scenarios per se, however, I feel that doing an hour plus setup just so that my opponent can see the map and comment on it will be a waste of time if the game gets binned.

Due to my Vista problem, it means using another PC or my laptop to CMBB.  This means that I have to go somewhere other than my main PC to play CM.

Therefore, I really cant devote that amount of time to something that may not happen.

Im not being negative here but from my standpoint practical.  I am willing to play a game of any size, but if I put the effort in I want it to go ahead.

Cheers.

[DrVonCool]

I could stay in if we play only the two smaller scenarios, but I won't play the big one (or another big one later on) regardless of whether the deadline is three month or six.

But then I'm already out as I've already announced my withdrawal.

Btw. I found a replacement inside my club (currently under evaluation by Steve) to play against Antoni.

[Mad Russian]

Im not against big scenarios per se, however, I feel that doing an hour plus setup just so that my opponent can see the map and comment on it will be a waste of time if the game gets binned.

Due to my Vista problem, it means using another PC or my laptop to CMBB.  This means that I have to go somewhere other than my main PC to play CM.

Therefore, I really cant devote that amount of time to something that may not happen.

Im not being negative here but from my standpoint practical.  I am willing to play a game of any size, but if I put the effort in I want it to go ahead.

Cheers.

Again, there will be no scenarios "BINNED" in this tournament.

All we are trying to decide is where we add time to the round or cut the number of scenarios being handled at one time.

No binning! This scenario will be played.

Good Hunting.

MR

[Mad Russian]

I could stay in if we play only the two smaller scenarios, but I won't play the big one (or another big one later on) regardless of whether the deadline is three month or six.

But then I'm already out as I've already announced my withdrawal.

Btw. I found a replacement inside my club (currently under evaluation by Steve) to play against Antoni.

Who accepted your withdrawl?

MR?

You know we don't care what he says.......   


Seriously, this scenario will be played in the tournament. My own scenario has about 14,000 points in it as well, and I can tell you it is not attack/defend like BF-Forgotten Ground is!  HSG 3AD Saddle Up is a wild ride if  you were ever on one!

You choice as to whether you stay or go. Of course we prefer you stay. 

Good Hunting.

MR

[Marshall666[WPC]]

make what you want.i could play the big scenario too.so i`m fine with every decision you make.....

[von Reichmann]

I posted this in the wrong thread it seems but these are my thoughts on the subject.

Following on from Steve's request for discussion on the Forgotten Ground battle, I have yet to see it but from all reports it's a 17,000 point monster which is really asking too much in my mind to do on top of 2 other significant size battles.  Considering that there is a strict 3 month deadline to complete all 3 battles I have to say that I can't commit the time I would need to do those battles any justice.

Bearing in mind that it took the majority of participants more than the alloted time to complete their round 1 battles, where 2 of those 3 battles were much smaller than any of the 2nd round ones, I feel that a rethink is needed.  My preference would be for just the 2 so called "smaller" battles to complete for round 2 with the Forgotten Ground one kept up the organisers sleeve for a later round.  When bringing out this massive battle it would make sense to have it paired with a much smaller one to make it easier on the participants to complete the round.  If it means having to create an extra round then so be it.

These are my thoughts anyway.

Regards

Jim R

[Mad Russian]

I posted this in the wrong thread it seems but these are my thoughts on the subject.

Following on from Steve's request for discussion on the Forgotten Ground battle, I have yet to see it but from all reports it's a 17,000 point monster which is really asking too much in my mind to do on top of 2 other significant size battles.  Considering that there is a strict 3 month deadline to complete all 3 battles I have to say that I can't commit the time I would need to do those battles any justice.

Bearing in mind that it took the majority of participants more than the alloted time to complete their round 1 battles, where 2 of those 3 battles were much smaller than any of the 2nd round ones, I feel that a rethink is needed.  My preference would be for just the 2 so called "smaller" battles to complete for round 2 with the Forgotten Ground one kept up the organisers sleeve for a later round.  When bringing out this massive battle it would make sense to have it paired with a much smaller one to make it easier on the participants to complete the round.  If it means having to create an extra round then so be it.

These are my thoughts anyway.

Regards

Jim R

2 things here, there is no strict 3 month time limit, we are discussing extending that and a significant number of the 1st round matches didn't exceed the time limit.

There were 13 matches that went over out of 32. Of those that went over, most were for computer breakdown and several of those have now caught back up. There were about 5 that were really what I would think of exceeding the time limit because of the return rate.

I knew about those throughout the round and told them to keep playing.

All 3 of the round 1 battles were smaller than the round 2 battles are. However, there is no direct correlation between point count  and scenario size for one thing nor does it directly correlate to more points meaning more playing time.  What counts the most for playing time is unit count. A 1941 scenario count of 5000 points per side is nothing like a 1945 scenario with 5000 points per side where the vehicle costs are way higher. Don't look at point count...look at unit count.


We'll see what the consensus is but it would be easy to extend the round by a month or a bit more than that if needed.

Good Hunting.

MR

[dapickaxe]

extend the deadline if needed is my thought

cheers!!

dave
(dapickaxe)

[Tanker]

We'll see what the consensus is but it would be easy to extend the round by a month or a bit more than that if needed.

Good Hunting.

MR

That would help considerably I think.

[Stndrtnfhr]

Gentlemen,


   Quit whining and play the scenario.


Stndrtnfhr Out!

[BAR Gunner]

I say add more time and play the scenario.

[Tanker]

Gentlemen,


   Quit whining and play the scenario.


Stndrtnfhr Out!

Whatever...

[von Reichmann]

Stndrtnfhr wrote:

Gentlemen,


   Quit whining and play the scenario.


Stndrtnfhr Out!

A well thought out and constructed post. 

Have you considered that not everybody plays the same way you do?

Regards

Jim R.

[von Staudt]

Oh oh!  Tanker vs von Reichman!  Grudge match!   

[stoffel]

Regarding setting up...most of my scenarios are ready for play.
There is no need to change a lot of things in the setup phase, its ready to go.
You can hit the GO button rightaway

Henk

[Huzaar]

Forgotten Ground looks great!  I have no problems with big maps or scenarios. Maybe extending the deadline would help.

[antonic]

Gentlemen,


   Quit whining and play the scenario.


Stndrtnfhr Out!

I have seen more constructive posts in the past !

[TedRam1]

Not to be a whiner but….

One of my concerns, besides the over all length of the tournament, is just the time it takes for me to plan and plot moves for battalions of infantry and their support and then plan and move in two other scenarios on top of that may require more time than I have available in a day, especially during a work week.
(It is hard for me to judge the time it will take in that I never played such a huge scenario before.)

I still have not heard from my opponent and have not seen the FG scenario yet.
May I suggest just sending out the scenario so we can look at it and not necessarily do a setup.
 
MR you bring up a good point about troop count on the map at any one point.

So, this being said, if there are to be “huge” scenarios then I would prefer a two scenario format and pushing out the deadline.

[Mad Russian]

We'll see what the consensus is but it would be easy to extend the round by a month or a bit more than that if needed.

Good Hunting.

MR

That would help considerably I think.

Would that allow you to stay in the tournament?

Good Hunting.

MR