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Author Topic: Messerschmitt Me-108 Taifun Aircraft  (Read 2102 times)
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« on: 15 January 2009, 02:24:51 »
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the Taifun was a 3-seat plane used mostly for training and reconnaissance.  It's designation was Messerschmitt Bf-108 "Taifun".
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« Reply #1 on: 15 January 2009, 19:28:17 »
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trying to write it down and translate:

Schnellstreife- und Umschulungsflugzeug Messerschmitt 'Taifun'

?- and conversionplane

schnellstreife would mean fastline?
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« Reply #2 on: 15 January 2009, 22:17:10 »
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trying to write it down and translate:

Schnellstreife- und Umschulungsflugzeug Messerschmitt 'Taifun'

?- and conversionplane

schnellstreife would mean fastline?


"Schnelllreise und Umschulungsflugzeug Messerschmitt *Taifun*", "Schnellreise" translating to "Fast travel", "Umschulung" translating to "Pilot Re-Typing" (literally: "(a/c) Switch Training").

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« Reply #3 on: 16 January 2009, 00:19:05 »
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I believe the Me-108 was used in combat in Spain in the 30's as a fighter. I'd have to look that up but that's what I remember off the top  of my head.

Many Me-109's in movies are in fact Me-108's. There is an international airshow here every year and  they have an Me108 all painted up and with the designation that it is an Me-109.....most people couldn't tell the difference!

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« Reply #4 on: 16 January 2009, 01:01:03 »
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I believe the Me-108 was used in combat in Spain in the 30's as a fighter. I'd have to look that up but that's what I remember off the top  of my head.

Many Me-109's in movies are in fact Me-108's. There is an international airshow here every year and  they have an Me108 all painted up and with the designation that it is an Me-109.....most people couldn't tell the difference!

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Really don´t want to offend anybody, but the 108 and 109 are not only years apart but *cannot even remotely* be confused by any halfway seriouos aviation fan, the idea that the latter sould be rplaced by the former in movies I feel attempted to call BS if I dont see proof:

Which is which?

1.

2.

3.

4.

5.

6.

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« Reply #5 on: 16 January 2009, 01:17:42 »
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They look enough alike when the fuselage is brought forward and the cockpit is restructured.

Call it what you like. I didn't say these were knowledgeable aviation people but the general public.

I see the 108 here every year wearing it's coat of camo splinters.....

The biggest give away is the engine size and the prop. The engine cowlings just aren't the same and only the very earliest of Me-109's used a 2 bladed prop.

As for movie accuracy...ever seen an American M-48 Patton represent everything from a PzIV to a King Tiger? I rest my hollywood case there.

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« Reply #6 on: 16 January 2009, 01:26:42 »
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-snip-As for movie accuracy...ever seen an American M-48 Patton represent everything from a PzIV to a King Tiger? I rest my hollywood case there.
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Wouldn´t know any of those mentioned from the other, my heart and concentration always went towards aviation.

Hope you won´t count that too harshly against me?  Huh?

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« Reply #7 on: 16 January 2009, 01:35:04 »
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-snip-As for movie accuracy...ever seen an American M-48 Patton represent everything from a PzIV to a King Tiger? I rest my hollywood case there.
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Wouldn´t know any of those mentioned from the other, my heart and concentration always went towards aviation.

Hope you won´t count that too harshly against me?  Huh?

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Yeah, and that was my point. Most people can't tell you what Me means let alone the difference between an Me-108 and an Me-109.

Or even what the differences in an Me-109 and a Bf-109 are. Which plane is which...... Huh?

ROFL!! That's always a great one to pull on some idiot showing off just how much he knows about WWII aircraft.... Brede lach


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« Reply #8 on: 16 January 2009, 01:58:22 »
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ROFL!! That's always a great one to pull on some idiot showing off just how much he knows about WWII aircraft.... Brede lach
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Dont really know how seriously to take that, if I did I would say:

It is a generation/nationality/immersion thing: While the serial numbers of all Me 109 are IMHO all Bf... (for Bayrische Flugzeugwerke) we German sons of flak helpers have always referred to it as Me 109 as our fathers told us to from their tradition, and I guess only a minority of us German aviation enthusiasts would even know what Bf stood for. German to German 50 yrs+ the a/c is *always* addressed as *Me* 109.

Does that help?

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« Reply #9 on: 16 January 2009, 03:09:15 »
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ROFL!! That's always a great one to pull on some idiot showing off just how much he knows about WWII aircraft.... Brede lach
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Dont really know how seriously to take that, if I did I would say:

It is a generation/nationality/immersion thing: While the serial numbers of all Me 109 are IMHO all Bf... (for Bayrische Flugzeugwerke) we German sons of flak helpers have always referred to it as Me 109 as our fathers told us to from their tradition, and I guess only a minority of us German aviation enthusiasts would even know what Bf stood for. German to German 50 yrs+ the a/c is *always* addressed as *Me* 109.

Does that help?

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That wasn't aimed at you.

Of course there is no difference between an Me-109 anything and a Bf-109 except for the nomenclature of two different time periods.

I can't remember off the top of my head when it changed "officially".
For instance, Kurt Tank, the director of Focke-Wulf's design team, had his initials applied for the Ta-152 series aircraft. All later war aircraft nomenclatures were that way if I remember correctly. It's rare for any but the most avid aviation buff to know what differences, if any, there are between the Bf-109 and an Me-109. That's why it's fun to ask some guy at an airshow showing off and talking loud for him to explain the differences between them. You will be surprised at some of the answers you get.

Interesting that the Bf-109 later became the Me-109 while the FW-190 kept it's nomenclature the same throughout the war. As did all other aircraft during the war that I can think of, with the possible exception of the Bf-110, which again switched over to an Me designation.

Only the very last version of the FW-190 was changed and it was basically not going to use the FW-190 nomenclature anyway. It was to become either the FW-152 or what it was known as, the Ta-152.

It's like asking what the differences between a Ferdinand and an Elephant are. Or a Hornisse or a Nashorn. In either case there is virtually no difference. You wouldn't even know that we are only talking about 2 vehicle types and not 4 unless you had done some pretty indepth study of German Armored Fighting Vehicles.

Those same little odd details abound everywhere in the equipment of the nations of WWII in land, sea and air forces.

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« Reply #10 on: 16 January 2009, 04:07:22 »
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I'm guessing from memory right now, but didn't Spielberg use Me-108's in "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade," where Sean Connery (Indie Senior) ran at the birds on the beach and startled them up into the air, which the German plane then flew into and was smashed up?

And, I think it might have been 108s in "Von Ryan's Express" when the planes came in and knocked part of the tunnel down which slowed up the train and allowed the chasing train to catch up.

My expectation was that I'd see 109s, and then was stunned to see 108s.  As was my abject horror when I first saw "The Battle of the Bulge" at a drive in movie theatre (there, now I am really showing my age....ouch), and the whole movie was ruined for me when those M48s? (or were they M60s) roared up with German crosses on their sides.  I let out a roar that they were not King Tigers, and everyone in the car told me to shut up and watch the movie.  I never got over that.  Hollywood.....betrayers, heh heh.

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I'm guessing from memory right now, but didn't Spielberg use Me-108's in "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade," where Sean Connery (Indie Senior) ran at the birds on the beach and startled them up into the air, which the German plane then flew into and was smashed up?

And, I think it might have been 108s in "Von Ryan's Express" when the planes came in and knocked part of the tunnel down which slowed up the train and allowed the chasing train to catch up.

My expectation was that I'd see 109s, and then was stunned to see 108s.  As was my abject horror when I first saw "The Battle of the Bulge" at a drive in movie theatre (there, now I am really showing my age....ouch), and the whole movie was ruined for me when those M48s? (or were they M60s) roared up with German crosses on their sides.  I let out a roar that they were not King Tigers, and everyone in the car told me to shut up and watch the movie.  I never got over that.  Hollywood.....betrayers, heh heh.

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I don't remember now. I know I've seen them before being shown as 109's.

The tanks in the Battle of the Bulge were M48's. I get told to sit down and be quiet alot...... Kwaad........ROFL!!!

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