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Author Topic: AB Flygindustri K37/Junkers S36  (Read 21234 times)
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« on: 27 February 2009, 18:12:38 »
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Unidentified Japanese propeller aircraft with open machine gun mounted on nose. Image from c1930s colorised postcard.
Nice detail on gunner's gear.
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« Reply #1 on: 28 February 2009, 06:51:27 »
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Alan65,
  I did a fast check through Japanese 4 engine bombers, and couldn't find anything close to this.  All the Japanese bombers are enclosed in the front, like most modern aircraft designs of that time.  Are we sure it is Japanese?  It looks similar to the Soviet 4 engine types, the Tupolevs, which were a single wing, multi-engine, with exposed gunners positions, especially the one in the front.  However, the Tupolev front gunner station looked different than the one you are showing.  This one seems more refined.  Sorry I couldn't help much on this.

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« Reply #2 on: 28 February 2009, 15:41:57 »
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Alan,

same here: why do you conclude that this is Japanese?
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« Reply #3 on: 28 February 2009, 17:45:39 »
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My first impression is that it's an Italian bomber. I would agree that it doesn't look Japanese at all.

My initial guess is some model of the Fiat B.R. 20 Cicogna.

I'll look if I get time today.

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« Reply #4 on: 28 February 2009, 17:55:09 »
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Thanks, guys, for all of your responses!  I have this in my digital archives as a Japanese postcard.  (I assume this is accurate until I get the physical postcard out).  I just further assumed that a Japanese postcard would have a Japanese plane!  Verlegen

I will have an up-date for you all on Monday.
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« Reply #5 on: 28 February 2009, 18:01:58 »
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I just further assumed that a Japanese postcard would have a Japanese plane!


I would also think they would publish 'axis' items in 'axis' countries so not only their own stuff
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« Reply #6 on: 28 February 2009, 18:07:32 »
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True, Koen, although this postcard strikes me as 1930s era (well so does the plane, but what do I know of planes compared to some others here!?!  Grijns) and there wasn't really an 'Axis' then was there?

I have someone who helps me with Japanese translations; the caption of this card is Japanese--willl post it here, too, of course so all can take a look.
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« Reply #7 on: 28 February 2009, 18:25:23 »
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here is the caption of this postcard, in case anyone here can read it and translate for us; I'm sure it will aid identification.
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« Reply #8 on: 28 February 2009, 18:38:27 »
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It's definitely an early era aircraft. Nothing past 1940 had gunners standing in open gun pits. The fact that the cowling doesn't cover the engine is another indication of an early time period aircraft.

I missed the part where it was a 4 engined plane. That narrows it down alot.

Most Japanese bombers had the glass bird cage in the nose and 4 engined Japanese aircraft are as scarce as hens teeth. That won't be hard to decide very quickly if it's Japanese.

An interesting feature of the plane for me are the forward firing machineguns in the nose under the gunner. One and possibly two that can be seen, which would lead you to believe there are probably 4 forward firing MG's under the gunner in the gun pit.


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« Reply #9 on: 28 February 2009, 19:19:27 »
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It is Japanese and before 1930, you are looking at one of two ever built AB Flygindustri K37 (one of those was sold to the Japanese, was tested there and was the base for the Mitsubishi Ki1 and Ki2 bombers). The JUMO engine and the rugged metal was the giveaway for me.







AB Flygindustri had based it on the Junkers S36:




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P.S.: Here the later developed Ki2 based on the plane in your postcard:

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« Reply #10 on: 28 February 2009, 19:23:58 »
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AB Flygindustri


Swedish?
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« Reply #11 on: 28 February 2009, 19:33:57 »
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AB Flygindustri


Swedish?


Yes. Correct spelling "A.B. Flygindustri"

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was founded on 25 January 1925 by the Swedish brothers Carl and Adrian Florman and Hugo Junkers (from the German aircraft factory Junkers. Officially Junkers owned only 50% of the shares, as his was the maximum allowed by Swedish legislation for foreign shareholders. But in practice Junkers controlled another 32% through Swedish front men.

Junkers primary goal was to establish a production facility abroad, to get around the Allied restrictions imposed on Germany after World War I, which prohibited the production of any high-tech (until 1926) or military hardware on German soil.

Usually this meant that civil equipped aircraft were assembled in Dessau (Germany) after which they were flown to Malmö for conversion to restricted variants.


Aicraft type produced in Limhamm (Malmö):

    * Junkers A20
    * Junkers G23
    * Junkers G24
    * Junkers A25
    * Junkers A32
    * Junkers W34
    * Junkers A35
    * Junkers S36
    * Junkers A48
    * Junkers Ju-52/1m

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« Reply #12 on: 28 February 2009, 19:39:20 »
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flying in the winter without protection...those were MEN!
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« Reply #13 on: 28 February 2009, 19:44:30 »
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Ahhh, nice catch Rattler.  The mystery has indeed been solved.  Very nice shots too.

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« Reply #14 on: 28 February 2009, 19:47:04 »
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Koen: The plane in the picture (D-1252) is the original S36 that later was converted into the K37 with the designation S-AABP

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« Reply #15 on: 28 February 2009, 19:57:54 »
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Ahhh, nice catch Rattler.  The mystery has indeed been solved.  Very nice shots too.

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Was not that difficult, as the only 4 engined bomber over there at 1930 was the Mitsubishi Ki20 (based on the Junkers G38) and that was improbable as it had different engine cowlings.





The ruffled metal and the JUMO made it a Junkers, the rest was searching in the Junkers Archives http://www.geocities.com/hjunkers/ju_intl.htm

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« Reply #16 on: 28 February 2009, 21:43:30 »
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Yes, in the first place it wasn't a Japanese design.

Secondly, it wasn't a 4 engined bomber as advertised.

Thirdly, I have some pictures of the Ki-1 and I was heading in that direction as well, but not as a Japanese design. I was trying to back track it to the origin.

Good find Rattler.

Good Hunting.

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« Reply #17 on: 28 February 2009, 22:15:48 »
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may I conclude that these were only prototypes and never used in battle/wartime?
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« Reply #18 on: 1 March 2009, 00:16:29 »
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The one Japan bought may not have been used in battle but I'm almost certain the Ki-1/2 were.

Rattler may have more on that.

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« Reply #19 on: 1 March 2009, 09:31:00 »
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You got it spot on

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